Thursday, 13 February 2025

What We Experience And How We Talk About It

Experience: The Sun seems to go around the Earth.

How we talk about it: Either we assume and state that the Sun goes around the Earth or we learn that the opposite is the case.

Therefore: One experience and two ways of talking about it although both ways are not equally valid.

Some sf characters experience what, following Wells, they call "time travel." (He wrote "time travelling" but we shorten it.) We can ask: Is the author's description of his characters' experience at least consistent, therefore logically, if not also physically, possible? Do we agree with their way of talking about their experience, e.g., is it really a kind of travel?

In Poul Anderson's Time Patrol series, a "time traveller" can have the following experience. He arrives in what looks to him like the past but he can alter the course of events so that he is no longer in the past as he had known it. He can even prevent his own birth. However, he cannot affect any of the events that had occurred before he started to alter the course of events. Therefore, preventing his birth does not prevent his arrival. So far, this is logically possible although both counterintuitive and contrary to known physical laws.

The character remembers a sequence of events, or a "timeline," in which he had been born, grew up, mounted a timecycle and departed into "the past." He experiences a timeline in which he has appeared as if from nowhen and has prevented his own birth. In neither of these timelines does he exist into adulthood, then disappear, although it is sometimes stated that this would be a consequence of time travel.

7 comments:

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

Falling behind again, other demands on my time.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Though if you observe the earth-moon-sun system carefully, you can deduce that the earth goes around the sun. There were some who hypothesized that as early as Hellenistic times. In particular, the mathematics of an earth-centered system become very, very complex; those of a solar-centered system are much simpler.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

Then its unfortunate the Earth centered synthesis of Claudius Ptolemy became so dominant in Classical and post-Classical astronomy and science. Altho by Alfonso X of Castile's time astronomers were finding Ptolemaic mathematics frustratingly complex.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Sean: yes, particularly once algebra became known.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

One of the great advantages of Copernicus' work was that having the planets orbiting the sun made for greatly simpler mathematics.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Sean: Yes. If you have two theories that both account for the facts, but one is much simpler than the other, prefer the simpler one -- that's Occam's Razor.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

I agree, and that was why Copernicus' work was gradually accepted despite the emotional attachment many still had for Ptolemaic astronomy.

Ad astra! Sean