Monday, 10 February 2025

Texts That Talk Back

The Boat Of A Million Years, XVIII.

First, read Ya-Kela And His Men.

In that post, I pointed out that a Poul Anderson text replied to its reader's thought. Then a letter from Ludwig Wittgenstein did likewise. Then a British TV comedian replied to a viewer. Then someone found that his response to a script written by Neil Gaiman was already incorporated into the script. Now Poul Anderson does it again.

Hanno says:

"'Now he's picking up extra votes - someday they may help him into the White House - by telling us that violence never settled anything. If only the city fathers of Carthage could talk to him.'" (p. 385)

Like no doubt many other sf readers, I remembered that a Robert Heinlein character had said that in Starship Troopers. The Carthaginian city fathers cannot talk to anyone because violence settled the question of whether they should continue to exist. "Delenda est Carthago." ("Delenda Est," Anderson's Time Patrol series.)

Next Hanno's companion replies:

"'Plagiarizing Heinlein, are you?'" (ibid.)

Andersonian self-parody. And Heinlein also wrote about an immortal man.

14 comments:

S.M. Stirling said...

Well, as Stalin said, when people cause you a problem... no people means no problem.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

Except I believe Stalin eventually had to answer for his brutalities to God.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

And here we each have to think of our own inner state, not just those of people who seem to be or even who are worse than ourselves.

S.M. Stirling said...

I don't think in those terms, and as far as I can recall I never have. I don't think my enemies are "bad", they're just my enemies, so I want them dead. Nothing personal, as the saying goes.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

I understand, but most of your stories do have characters who think as I do. So you can at least understand what I said.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Sean: Oh, sure. I'm unusual. To be a writer, you have to be able to handle more conventional characters well. I've been accused of being a Wiccan propagandist... and a Catholic one, too!

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

I never thought of you as a propagandist--I think of you as a very well read and learned writer who treats his characters fairly. Iow, like Anderson!

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Exactly.

S.M. Stirling said...

Sean: well, I try to treat my characters 'on their own terms'.

If it's one thing I dislike, it's fiction written by solipsists, disguised autobiography.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling~

Don't think I ever read stuff like that, it sounds boring!

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Sean: almost infinitely. I got assigned some in university.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

Gol darned so called "English literature" teachers spoiled reading for far too many! Just assigning ERB's Barsoom stories to their students would have been vastly better. ERB was a vastly better writer than many of those bores.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Sean: agreed, though he was more of an 'instinctual' writer to begin with. He had a -really- vivid imagination; you can tell because the first half of.a Princess of Mars draws you in even though very little happens plot-wise.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

Absolutely! ERB was amazingly talented for an "accidental" writer. I still like to read his Barsoom stories once in a while.

Ad astra! Sean