Friday, 14 February 2025

The Triumph Of Time

Let's stay with the line of thought of the previous post for a while longer. We were discussing longevity and immortality in works by Heinlein, Blish and Anderson. Blish's Cities In Flight, Volume I, They Shall Have Stars, incorporates a story originally entitled "At Death's End." Ironically, in this story, Believers (Jehovah's Witnesses) proclaim that millions now living will never die, their religious slogan, just as the antiagathic drugs, necessary for interstellar travel even at super-light speeds, are developed. Let's hold that thought while returning to Heinlein and Anderson.

Heinlein wants us to accept that Lazarus Long will continue to live literally forever. This is implied in Methuselah's Children and explicitly stated at the end of Time Enough For Love. I do not accept that latter volume as a valid addition to Heinlein's Future History but it is relevant here as expressing Heinlein's thought on the subject.

Poul Anderson, of course, has more sense than to affirm that anyone will live forever although he does not show us the deaths of any of his main characters. Van Rijn remains active into his old age and beyond the end of his series. We think that Flandry will die near the end of A Stone in Heaven but he doesn't. We think that Hanno will die near the end of The Boat Of A Million Years but he doesn't. Both are rescued. When Hanno's friends rescue him, he is told not that he cannot die - absurd - but that they would never want to be without him.

Blish wanted to face the fact that even characters with indefinitely prolonged lifespans must eventually die sooner or later. An early version of the Chronology of Cities In Flight had John Amalfi dying in a hunting accident in 4004. See here. Then Blish added an entire novel, The Triumph of Time, whose title makes the point even more forcibly. Time triumphs. Even this universe will end - and does in this novel.

The universe ends in Anderson's Tau Zero and some characters outlive it - but they will not last forever.

7 comments:

S.M. Stirling said...

Entropy always wins in the end...

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Yes. Water flows downhill. But how did it get to the top of the hill? And what has happened once can happen more than once.

Finite energy cannot have been winding down through a beginningless past. So energy is infinite or it began somehow.

S.M. Stirling said...

Oh, yes -- the "big bang". The universe started with some vast release of energy... and it's been running downhill since. But not evenly -- for example, a solar system gets energy from the collapse of hydrogen into a star.

That's how the water gets to the top of the hill; the star/sun evaporates it, and it falls as rain .

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

And I like how Anderson/Stirling wrote/writes stories of people struggling against entropy.

Ultimately, I believe the real or final triumph against entropy is in union with God.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

What is interesting is how that vast release of energy started.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

Scientifically speaking, I don't think anyone truly knows how the Big Bang started.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,

So we need to keep learning more. The most recent account that I have heard is a quantum fluctuation in a vacuum and a vacuum is potential energy, not just nothing, so it sounds as if physicists are getting close to the ground of existence from which many universes can start.

Paul.