Wednesday, 19 February 2025

Concept And Experience

Time travel involves physics, philosophy and fiction. I can only read popular accounts of the physics but am more familiar with the philosophy and the fiction. 

Any time travel narrative has at least two aspects, conceptual and experiential: a conceptual framework, whether explicit or implicit, for time travel and the experiences of the time travellers.

In HG Wells' The Time Machine, the framework is explicit although confused, a detailed discussion of the nature of time. There are two experiential stages. First, the process of time travelling is itself experienced. The Time Traveller perceives everything outside himself and his vehicle as accelerated. Secondly, his experience of several future periods is described, vividly and colourfully.

In Poul Anderson's "Time Patrol," the conceptual framework is provided by some brief instruction in the Time Patrol Academy in the Oligocene. Instead of the Time Traveller's four dimensions, the Time Patrol deals with 4N dimensions.

The experiential aspect is present but different. First, there is no experience of time travelling as such because each temporal transition is subjectively instantaneous. Secondly, although Manse Everard has been shuttled to the Oligocene for training, then back to the twentieth century, the reality of time travel does not strike him until he is travelling through London in a hansom cab in 1894. Thereafter, this and every other historical period is described in detail.

14 comments:

S.M. Stirling said...

Of course, Wells didn't have the accumulated tropes of modern SF to fall back on; he had to explain things that would be obvious to readers today.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

Exactly, Wells was one of the two great pioneers of modern SF. Despite his best efforts some missteps, false starts, awkwardness, etc., could not be entirely avoided.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Yup. Common to explorers! Which is why so many of the physical ones end up dead.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

Even a successful conquistador like Pizarro still ended up being assassinated by his enemies.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

BTW, the death of Pizarro was described in a famous chronicle, and R.E. Howard took it and transposed it to scenes with Kull and Conan -- only they win, in the end. Pizarro -neary- did, which considering he was in his 70's says something about the man.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

A terrifying old man! And I like how Pizarro died, both bravely and devoutly. As he was dying Pizarro traced a cross with his blood and kissed it, invoking the name of Christ.

Ad astra! Sean

Jim Baerg said...

See also "Despoilers of the Golden Empire" by Randall Garrett (originally published under the Pen Name David Gordon.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/24091/24091-h/24091-h.htm

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Jim!

I've heard of Randall Garrett and read some of his stories, but not this one. After I looked it up I have to wonder, anyone who has read Prescott's classic HISTORY OF THE CONQUEST OF PERU might find DESPOILERS a bit too derivative or imitative of the real thing.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

BTW, Pizzaro (and his enemies) show -why- the Spanish conquistadores were so successful. To start with, they were fearless, energetic, and 'bad bastards' all 'round. You could kill them, but that was the only way to stop them -- and they were hard to kill.

Jim Baerg said...

Sean: I hadn't read Prescott but the first time I read "Despoilers of the Golden Empire" I started thinking this is conquest of Peru IN SPACE. Then I read the last line of the story and started rereading to notice that *every* word is a precisely accurate retelling, just using synonyms with connotations suggesting Space Opera. Eg: Universal Assembly instead of Catholic Church.
It's a delightful joke.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling and Jim!

Mr. Stirling: In "The Year of the Ransom," set during the Spanish conquest of Peru, Anderson showed how Don Luis Castelar exemplified all the qualities you listed. So much so that Manse Everard and his colleagues thought hard and seriously of offering Don Luis a job with the Time Patrol.

Jim: I sit corrected, delightful jokes are legitimate ways of writing SF.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Sean: IIRC, they didn't because they felt he wouldn't be a team player... 8-).

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Correct.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

I basically agree. Everard and his colleagues eventually decided Castelar wouldn't entirely transfer his loyalties to the Time Patrol.

Ad astra! Sean