Dr. Paul Shackley's "Poul Anderson Appreciation Blog" focuses on the works of Poul Anderson. And he has also discussed other writers whose own works he believes are appropriately compared to those of Anderson. One of these writers is S.M. Stirling, whom Dr. Shackley rightly considers a worthy colleague and successor of Poul Anderson. Mr. Stirling has sometimes left his own comments in the blog. On January 30, 2016, in the combox for Dr. Shackley's "Wealth and Labor" piece, Stirling wrote: "It's pretty safe to assume themes and tropes from Poul's work carry over into mine--he was an inspiration, and we corresponded and occasionally visited for many years."
I have more than once found very Andersonian echoes, allusions, themes, tropes, and homages to Poul Anderson in Stirling's own works. I felt the wish to point out some of these "echoes" myself. For example, one theme or trope to be found in both writers works is how they agreed all organized societies need to have SOME signs of respect or ceremonial for their leaders or states. In Chapter 7 of Poul Anderson's novel THERE WILL BE TIME (Nelson-Doubleday: 1972, page 63) Caleb Wallis, Sachem of the Eyrie, said: "I am the founder and master of this nation. We must have discipline, forms of respect. I'm called 'sir.' " Another example can be found in Chapter 7 of THE DAY OF THEIR RETURN (Nelson-Doubleday: 1973, page 54) after Tatiana Thane showed resentment at the idea of the planet Aeneas reestablishing its loyalty to the Terran Empire Commissioner Desai said: "The loyalty I speak of does not involve more than a few outward tokens of respect for the throne, as mere essential symbols. It is loyalty to the Empire--above all, to its Pax, in an age when spacefleets can incinerate whole worlds and when the mutiny in fact took thousands of lives--it is that I mean, my lady. It is that I am here about..."
Echoes and allusions of this Andersonian respect for due and proper ceremony can be found in Stirling's novel CONQUISTADOR (Roc: March 2004, pages 363 and 364), in Chapter Fourteen. The Founder of the Commonwealth of New Virginia, John Rolfe VI, was formally greeted like this: "Adrienne stepped forward first, bowing low, taking his outstretched left hand in hers, and kissing it." Then she said, in Italian: "Baciamo le mani." Both Piet Botha and Roy Tully (with a slight shrug to Tom Christiansen by the latter) repeated the ceremony. Tom felt embarassed and foolish, but he too performed the ritual. The Chairman Emeritus, noticing Tom's discomfort said: "In any organized society there must be forms, gestures of respect. I am founder and master of this nation. My fellow Virginian Washington followed a similar policy of emphasizing formal etiquette during his presidency, for much the same reason; I've often found his solutions useful when an analogous problem came up." Notice how "I am founder and master of this nation" is nearly a word for word quote from THERE WILL BE TIME. To say nothing of how close Stirling's "gestures of respect" is to Anderson's "forms of respect"!
In my letter of January 21, 1995 to Poul Anderson I discussed how the Later Roman Empire, in both West and East, developed increasingly elaborate and seemingly exaggerated gestures of respect for the Emperors. To such an extent that it seemed to me the Romans, even after they became Christians, gave their sovereigns virtually divine honors. This disturbed me until I came across these texts in Thomas Hobbes LEVIATHAN (Collier Books: 1973), Chapter 45, on page 467: "The worship we exhibit for those we esteem to be but men, as to kings, and men in authority, is civil worship; but the worship we exhibit to that which we think to be God, whatsoever the words, ceremonies, gestures or other actions be, is divine worship. To fall prostrate before a king, in him that thinks him but a man, is but civil worship: and he that putteth off his hat in the church, for this cause, that he thinketh it the house of God, worshippeth with divine worship." And on page 469, in the same Chapter 45, I read: "To be uncovered, before a man of power and authority, before the throne of a prince, or in other such places as he ordaineth to that purpose in his absence, is to worship that man, or prince with civil worship; as being a sign, not of honouring the stool or place, but the person; and is not idolatry."
I then became convinced that the seemingly exaggerated respect shown by the Romans to their Emperors (or the New Virginians to their Chairmen) were merely gestures of respect meant to show patriotic loyalty to them. Which meant I could no longer scorn such rituals as the proskynesis or the kowtow. In his reply letter of January 28, 1995, Anderson wrote: "On the matter of elaborate gestures of submission to royalty and the like, I suspect that, while the extreme forms of the late West Roman and the Byzantine Empires were theoretically just gestures of respect, in fact they reflected an attitude derived from the ancient Orient. The distinction between a king or emperor who was a god and one who was God's anointed got somewhat blurred. There was something supernatural about a crowned head--which didn't prevent some rather murderous changes of personnel! I think that in our own time we have seen the same basic psychology at work in the--from your viewpoint or mine--obscene degree of adulation accorded Hitler and Stalin, even though in those cases all connection to the divine was disavowed." The even more grotesque adulation shown to Mao Tse-tung, during his misrule of China, also comes to mind.
However theoretically unobjectionable the proskynesis or kowtow might be, such ceremonies still caused problems when ambassadors from foreign nations refused to perform them to the Emperor of China . As Anderson wrote, from the same letter cited above: "It's a nice question whether the British ambassador to China in the 19th century did right when he refused to kowtow to the Emperor. On the one hand, he definitely compromised his mission; on the other hand, as Queen Victoria's representative he was not going to admit, even symbolically, that any other monarch was superior to her. If nothing else, that could have set an awkward precedent."
Poul Anderson then ended by saying he had no personal objection to such ceremonial gestures: "As a private citizen, I don't face such problems, and would in general go along with whatever forms and titles, such as "your Majesty" are customary. Partly that's a matter of courtesy, partly respect for the office, especially within one's own country." In the last part of that sentence Anderson was about to discuss the propriety of showing customary respect for Members of the U.S. Congress.
It was interesting to see a clear example from two of Poul Anderson's books, THERE WILL BE TIME and THE DAY OF THEIR RETURN, of "themes and tropes" carrying over to Stirling's CONQUISTADOR. I think this would have happened only if Stirling had agreed with Anderson on the desirability, even necessity, of a society's leaders being accorded some ceremonial respect and deference. To again quote Anderson's letter of January 28, 1995: "Symbolism IS important. It may act subtly, but it often has very practical consequences." That is, I argue the ceremonial accorded a nation's leaders will reflect how that society regards its rulers and how power should be used. I would even suggest that ceremonial SOFTENS the hard, sharp edges of the state's power, by helping to make sure, at least sometimes, that power is used only in accordance with fixed laws, rules, and customs.
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Thursday, 3 March 2016
Tuesday, 16 February 2016
Conquistador: Any Loose Ends?
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Epilogue.
(i) A saber-tooth is the perfect symbol for an ancient, uncivilized world.
(ii) We want to see the Commonwealth expand onto ThirdSide and what they find there.
(iii) Segei Lermontov came to the Commonwealth to open Gates for the Imperialist rebels but now instead opens one for the Founder.
(iv) Good-hearted Ralph Barnes helps with the Gate because Rolfe has threatened to kill Lermontov. Barnes openly calls Rolfe a "'Blackmailer...'" (p. 581) while the latter smiles slightly and sardonically in reply. It is good to see these two characters remain in character.
(v) "Sergei prayed to a God in whom he'd never believed..." (ibid.) This is an excellent example of the agnostic prayer that I mentioned here.
(vi) Rolfe does not want to be bothered with technical details:
"'I'm also content to let you experts handle these matters. Leaders motivate their subordinates, and the subordinates act. A division of labor.'" (ibid.)
That sounds like Nicholas van Rijn in Poul Anderson's The Man Who Counts, although Rolfe and van Rijn are different kinds of leaders. Rolfe is a head of state, according to Barnes a fascist bastard, whereas van Rijn is an employer, trader and negotiator, according to his detractors an exploiter, Machiavellian manipulator etc.
Different writers, different characters, equally enjoyable and even instructive.
(i) A saber-tooth is the perfect symbol for an ancient, uncivilized world.
(ii) We want to see the Commonwealth expand onto ThirdSide and what they find there.
(iii) Segei Lermontov came to the Commonwealth to open Gates for the Imperialist rebels but now instead opens one for the Founder.
(iv) Good-hearted Ralph Barnes helps with the Gate because Rolfe has threatened to kill Lermontov. Barnes openly calls Rolfe a "'Blackmailer...'" (p. 581) while the latter smiles slightly and sardonically in reply. It is good to see these two characters remain in character.
(v) "Sergei prayed to a God in whom he'd never believed..." (ibid.) This is an excellent example of the agnostic prayer that I mentioned here.
(vi) Rolfe does not want to be bothered with technical details:
"'I'm also content to let you experts handle these matters. Leaders motivate their subordinates, and the subordinates act. A division of labor.'" (ibid.)
That sounds like Nicholas van Rijn in Poul Anderson's The Man Who Counts, although Rolfe and van Rijn are different kinds of leaders. Rolfe is a head of state, according to Barnes a fascist bastard, whereas van Rijn is an employer, trader and negotiator, according to his detractors an exploiter, Machiavellian manipulator etc.
Different writers, different characters, equally enjoyable and even instructive.
Cosmic Comparisons
SM Stirling's Conquistador explicitly acknowledges its sources here, including two titles by Poul Anderson. Let us therefore consider the following sequence:
Anderson, Three Hearts And Three Lions
Anderson, A Midsummer Tempest
Stirling, Conquistador
- three novels of cross-time travel.
However, the two Anderson titles are fantasies, involving supernatural beings and magic, whereas Conquistador by contrast is science fiction, assuming only:
an infinite series of parallel universes with identical physical laws;
a technological means of travel between them.
Adrienne Rolfe's experience differs from ours in just one respect: in the existence of the Gate and of what lies beyond it. However, what is beyond the Gate is an Earth where history went differently, not where myths are true. Thus, Three Hearts... and ...Tempest are as fantastic to Adrienne as they are to us.
Her literary predecessors also include the group of extra-temporal exiles in HG Wells' Men Like Gods but these characters are hardly major players in the history of sf. One major predecessor of many science fictional space and time explorers is the original Time Traveler, who could well have encountered a sabre-tooth as the New Virginians do at the end of Conquistador. In the Epilogue to The Time Machine, the outer narrator speculates that the Time Traveler has gone to:
the Stone Age;
the Cretaceous Sea;
the Jurassic Age;
the Triassic Age -
- so we can legitimately imagine him among prehistoric animals even though Wells never wrote a sequel.
Anderson, Three Hearts And Three Lions
Anderson, A Midsummer Tempest
Stirling, Conquistador
- three novels of cross-time travel.
However, the two Anderson titles are fantasies, involving supernatural beings and magic, whereas Conquistador by contrast is science fiction, assuming only:
an infinite series of parallel universes with identical physical laws;
a technological means of travel between them.
Adrienne Rolfe's experience differs from ours in just one respect: in the existence of the Gate and of what lies beyond it. However, what is beyond the Gate is an Earth where history went differently, not where myths are true. Thus, Three Hearts... and ...Tempest are as fantastic to Adrienne as they are to us.
Her literary predecessors also include the group of extra-temporal exiles in HG Wells' Men Like Gods but these characters are hardly major players in the history of sf. One major predecessor of many science fictional space and time explorers is the original Time Traveler, who could well have encountered a sabre-tooth as the New Virginians do at the end of Conquistador. In the Epilogue to The Time Machine, the outer narrator speculates that the Time Traveler has gone to:
the Stone Age;
the Cretaceous Sea;
the Jurassic Age;
the Triassic Age -
- so we can legitimately imagine him among prehistoric animals even though Wells never wrote a sequel.
Monday, 15 February 2016
Who To Pray To?
Poul Anderson's Nicholas van Rijn offers to St Dismas.
Before military action, SM Stirling's Tom Christiansen thinks about praying to:
Jesus;
Old Scratch;
the Lutheran God;
Odhinn One-Eye.
-Conquistador, pp. 540-541.
I have read that Odin was sometimes called the False or Faithless because men went into battle expecting victory and did not get it.
Does it make sense to pray? I think that:
there are two kinds of spiritual practice, prayer for theists, meditation for non-theists;
however, there are also two kinds of prayer - the prayer of monotheist faith as against the pagan/agnostic appeal to "whatever gods may be"/an unknown god/to whom it may concern etc.
We can all utter the second kind of prayer now and again, while meanwhile relying on our own best efforts in case we really are on our own. My practice is meditation, not prayer, but I do ask for help in case there is anyone able to give it.
Before military action, SM Stirling's Tom Christiansen thinks about praying to:
Jesus;
Old Scratch;
the Lutheran God;
Odhinn One-Eye.
-Conquistador, pp. 540-541.
I have read that Odin was sometimes called the False or Faithless because men went into battle expecting victory and did not get it.
Does it make sense to pray? I think that:
there are two kinds of spiritual practice, prayer for theists, meditation for non-theists;
however, there are also two kinds of prayer - the prayer of monotheist faith as against the pagan/agnostic appeal to "whatever gods may be"/an unknown god/to whom it may concern etc.
We can all utter the second kind of prayer now and again, while meanwhile relying on our own best efforts in case we really are on our own. My practice is meditation, not prayer, but I do ask for help in case there is anyone able to give it.
Fragging
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Chapter Twenty-Two.
Here is an issue:
"If an officer had come up with something like this during the war, I'd have considered fragging the crazy son of a bitch unless he had a real good track record." (p. 535)
Would Tom really have considered this? A man who had fought in World War II told me, "There was one officer who was such a bloody nuisance we had to get rid of him ourselves. He would have got us all killed."
Do soldiers in combat make this pragmatic decision: to kill an incompetent officer who otherwise would get them all killed, including himself? I will leave that question with the moral sensibilities of blog readers while I go for a family meal in my daughter's and granddaughter's flat. (I am glad that I am unlikely to be involved in any armed conflict.)
Here is an issue:
"If an officer had come up with something like this during the war, I'd have considered fragging the crazy son of a bitch unless he had a real good track record." (p. 535)
Would Tom really have considered this? A man who had fought in World War II told me, "There was one officer who was such a bloody nuisance we had to get rid of him ourselves. He would have got us all killed."
Do soldiers in combat make this pragmatic decision: to kill an incompetent officer who otherwise would get them all killed, including himself? I will leave that question with the moral sensibilities of blog readers while I go for a family meal in my daughter's and granddaughter's flat. (I am glad that I am unlikely to be involved in any armed conflict.)
Legends In Their Own Lunchtimes
Some fictitious characters become celebrities and even legends in their fictional worlds. Poul Anderson's Nicholas van Rijn is quoted as a public figure while he is alive. Further, stories are still being told not only about van Rijn but also about his protege, David Falkayn, centuries after their deaths. Some of the stories about van Rijn are told by Dominic Flandry and, when the latter is getting old, a wandering Wodenite says that he has "'...encountered tales of Admiral Flandry's exploits...'" (Flandry's Legacy, p. 213)
In SM Stirling's Conquistador (New York, 2004), John Rolfe founds the Commonwealth of New Virginia in the North America of a parallel Earth and has a granddaughter called Adrienne. When Adrienne introduces herself to an Indian chief, the chief exclaims:
"'You're Johnny Deathwalker's kin?'" (p. 532) -
- then, after taking a closer look:
"'Yeah, that's what the legends say. Hair like an angry sunset, and eyes green like river rocks and colder than glacier ice.'" (ibid.)
A former colleague of James Bond wrote popular accounts of some of Bond's exploits but was not prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act because his accounts were so inaccurate.
Among James Blish's works:
- copied from here.
In SM Stirling's Conquistador (New York, 2004), John Rolfe founds the Commonwealth of New Virginia in the North America of a parallel Earth and has a granddaughter called Adrienne. When Adrienne introduces herself to an Indian chief, the chief exclaims:
"'You're Johnny Deathwalker's kin?'" (p. 532) -
- then, after taking a closer look:
"'Yeah, that's what the legends say. Hair like an angry sunset, and eyes green like river rocks and colder than glacier ice.'" (ibid.)
A former colleague of James Bond wrote popular accounts of some of Bond's exploits but was not prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act because his accounts were so inaccurate.
Among James Blish's works:
The Night Shapes combines two Edgar Rice Burroughs themes: African adventure and living dinosaurs (Tarzan and The Land That Time Forgot). Its
central character, Kit Kennedy, has a strange affinity not with apes
but with snakes and is a living legend: Ktendi, Son of Wisdom, King of
the Wassabi, Master of Serpents. One officious European, unaware that
he is addressing the source of the legend, says:
“There’s no such thing as Ktendi…And, as for you, Mr Kennedy, why don’t you mind your own business?” 2- copied from here.
Cultural References II
"...the plain was interrupted by mesas and buttes, all turning dark purple and gold as the sun sank on their left. It was almost too classically Western; this area had been used for a lot of movies, back FirstSide. Being chased through it by real live Indians intent on killing you gave a whole new perspective to memories of The Searchers..."
-SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Chapter Twenty, p. 503.
Of course I have read of mesas and buttes but what are they? Google reveals all. I like the "...dark purple and gold..." The Searchers is another Western film reference. I am out of here.
-SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Chapter Twenty, p. 503.
Of course I have read of mesas and buttes but what are they? Google reveals all. I like the "...dark purple and gold..." The Searchers is another Western film reference. I am out of here.
Cultural References
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Chapter Twenty.
When Tom and his companions are chased by Indians, Roy Tully says that he has "'...fallen into a Lonesome Dove rerun...'" (p. 499) That meant nothing to me but apparently is highly significant. In my childhood, Western films and TV series were a big deal but now are old hat.
Tom says that the Indians look as if they are "'...auditioning for a remake of The Crow...'" (ibid.), a more recent film reference and one that I did recognize - a film based on a comic book.
This morning I will drive family members to the Lake District town of Kendal (nowadays the venue of a big annual international comics art festival) where I will meditate in a side chapel of the Parish Church containing the tomb of the grandfather of the sixth wife of Henry VIII. This evening, we will celebrate my granddaughter's birthday with a family meal. You might not read many posts today but please remember me enjoying myself!
When Tom and his companions are chased by Indians, Roy Tully says that he has "'...fallen into a Lonesome Dove rerun...'" (p. 499) That meant nothing to me but apparently is highly significant. In my childhood, Western films and TV series were a big deal but now are old hat.
Tom says that the Indians look as if they are "'...auditioning for a remake of The Crow...'" (ibid.), a more recent film reference and one that I did recognize - a film based on a comic book.
This morning I will drive family members to the Lake District town of Kendal (nowadays the venue of a big annual international comics art festival) where I will meditate in a side chapel of the Parish Church containing the tomb of the grandfather of the sixth wife of Henry VIII. This evening, we will celebrate my granddaughter's birthday with a family meal. You might not read many posts today but please remember me enjoying myself!
Sunday, 14 February 2016
Treason
(David Birr has just drawn our attention to the Destroyermen alternative history series by Taylor Anderson. See here. Now can anyone prove a family relationship between Taylor and Poul?)
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Chapter Eighteen, p. 445.
An interesting exchange between the Bothas Senior and Junior -
Senior: This is serious business, boy. We may have to fight some of our own relatives, not just the bliddy Indians.
Junior: Only if they're fools enough to get mixed up in treason.
Senior: Treason is what you do when you lose...I'd be on the other side myself, if I thought it would work. But it wouldn't.
What? Piet Botha would take part in seizing the Gate and conquering the Other Side if he thought that it was feasible? Nice guy, isn't he?
He has a point about "treason."
"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
"Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
-John Harrington
Our British constitutional monarchy results from a Revolutionary Settlement. The makers of the Glorious Revolution were "traitors" until they succeeded.
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Chapter Eighteen, p. 445.
An interesting exchange between the Bothas Senior and Junior -
Senior: This is serious business, boy. We may have to fight some of our own relatives, not just the bliddy Indians.
Junior: Only if they're fools enough to get mixed up in treason.
Senior: Treason is what you do when you lose...I'd be on the other side myself, if I thought it would work. But it wouldn't.
What? Piet Botha would take part in seizing the Gate and conquering the Other Side if he thought that it was feasible? Nice guy, isn't he?
He has a point about "treason."
"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
"Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
-John Harrington
Our British constitutional monarchy results from a Revolutionary Settlement. The makers of the Glorious Revolution were "traitors" until they succeeded.
More Differences
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Chapter Seventeen.
New Virginian women's bikinis are conservative by FirstSide standards.
The nudity taboo has stayed stronger there. (We should be able to predict such details by now.)
New FirstSider films "'...are too likely to be just disgusting, or not make any sense - so the Theatre Guild has to reissue the old ones a lot...'" (pp.436-437)
Sandra, a New Virginian, liked the Mummy, Harry Potter and the Ring films, but even those are years ago now.
New Virginia has too small a population and too limited a talent pool to make its own films.
How films have changed FirstSide:
in Superman: the Movie (1978), Kal-El said with a straight face that he had come from Krypton to fight for "Truth, Justice and the American Way";
in Superman Returns (2006), the Daily Planet Editor asked his reporters to find out whether the returned Superman still stands for "Truth, Justice...all that stuff?";
in The Man of Steel (2013), Superman kills the main villain and tells a US general to stop spying on him, destroying the spy satellite for good measure.
We can predict that New Virginian film sensibilities will not have moved much beyond 1978.
New Virginian women's bikinis are conservative by FirstSide standards.
The nudity taboo has stayed stronger there. (We should be able to predict such details by now.)
New FirstSider films "'...are too likely to be just disgusting, or not make any sense - so the Theatre Guild has to reissue the old ones a lot...'" (pp.436-437)
Sandra, a New Virginian, liked the Mummy, Harry Potter and the Ring films, but even those are years ago now.
New Virginia has too small a population and too limited a talent pool to make its own films.
How films have changed FirstSide:
in Superman: the Movie (1978), Kal-El said with a straight face that he had come from Krypton to fight for "Truth, Justice and the American Way";
in Superman Returns (2006), the Daily Planet Editor asked his reporters to find out whether the returned Superman still stands for "Truth, Justice...all that stuff?";
in The Man of Steel (2013), Superman kills the main villain and tells a US general to stop spying on him, destroying the spy satellite for good measure.
We can predict that New Virginian film sensibilities will not have moved much beyond 1978.
Differences IV
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004).
See here.
This is not like visiting another planet. It is the same planet in another history. Tom and Roy have to keep adjusting to what is not there:
most of the San Francisco Bay area has virgin woodland instead of towns or buildings;
there are ranches, fields and hamlets in place of Silicon Valley.
On the other hand, scores or even hundreds of humpback whales move along the coast, surfacing, spouting and breaching. Gulls swarm around a beached fifty-foot carcass while half a dozen condors and at least three widely spaced grizzlies also eat. Does this paragraph belong on our food thread?
I can see that Stirling develops alternative histories in far greater detail than Poul Anderson did but I am not well read in this sub-genre. Does any other alternative historian convey the differences and similarities between parallel Earths in such concrete detail?
See here.
This is not like visiting another planet. It is the same planet in another history. Tom and Roy have to keep adjusting to what is not there:
most of the San Francisco Bay area has virgin woodland instead of towns or buildings;
there are ranches, fields and hamlets in place of Silicon Valley.
On the other hand, scores or even hundreds of humpback whales move along the coast, surfacing, spouting and breaching. Gulls swarm around a beached fifty-foot carcass while half a dozen condors and at least three widely spaced grizzlies also eat. Does this paragraph belong on our food thread?
I can see that Stirling develops alternative histories in far greater detail than Poul Anderson did but I am not well read in this sub-genre. Does any other alternative historian convey the differences and similarities between parallel Earths in such concrete detail?
Differences III
(California, August.)
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004).
See here and, indeed, here.
(i) Small aircraft, designed and made in the Commonwealth, require only imported engine parts and cockpit electronics. (p. 424) One plane's hull is "...a monocoque..." (ibid.) (?) However, more sophisticated items, like Black Hawk helicopters, have to be brought whole through the Gate.
(ii) "'...it's easier to stay married here. Fewer distractions; people stay put more.'" (p. 425)
So how will Roy, who had two divorces FirstSide, fare in New Virginia?
(iii) "There was no problem with carrying weapons openly here in the Commonwealth..." (ibid.)
In fact, dueling is legal, albeit rare.
(iv) "...you don't have to wade through layers of bureaucrats to get something done... But is that because of the way John Rolfe organized the place or just the scale?" (p. 426)
Do you like the sound of the place? Tom is beginning to like being there. It all sounds strangely innocent and unsophisticated somehow although with a very rough edge. There are ways of getting dead that do not exist FirstSide.
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004).
See here and, indeed, here.
(i) Small aircraft, designed and made in the Commonwealth, require only imported engine parts and cockpit electronics. (p. 424) One plane's hull is "...a monocoque..." (ibid.) (?) However, more sophisticated items, like Black Hawk helicopters, have to be brought whole through the Gate.
(ii) "'...it's easier to stay married here. Fewer distractions; people stay put more.'" (p. 425)
So how will Roy, who had two divorces FirstSide, fare in New Virginia?
(iii) "There was no problem with carrying weapons openly here in the Commonwealth..." (ibid.)
In fact, dueling is legal, albeit rare.
(iv) "...you don't have to wade through layers of bureaucrats to get something done... But is that because of the way John Rolfe organized the place or just the scale?" (p. 426)
Do you like the sound of the place? Tom is beginning to like being there. It all sounds strangely innocent and unsophisticated somehow although with a very rough edge. There are ways of getting dead that do not exist FirstSide.
Friday, 12 February 2016
Behind The Times
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004).
Just how out of date an isolated social group might become is shown by this exchange:
"'Do you have any idea how nice it is to find a man who doesn't feel scared of a woman who can think?'
"'Ah...' Advantages of a FirstSide upbringing, he didn't say." (pp. 421-422)
Tom has the wit to reply with a compliment instead.
Roy Tully says that the past was another country. Here, another country is the past. In James Blish's Okies series, exiles from Earth have fled to other planetary systems to preserve their ways of life so that, for the interstellar nomads, traveling further into space is like traveling into the past.
Maybe we can never get into the real past but we can find enclaves of old world attitudes. I felt that a couple of times when, as a Careers Adviser, I visited Army bases.
Blog readers will have realized that I am totally enjoying rereading Conquistador and am in no hurry to reach the end. However, when I do arrive again at the saber-tooth on p. 582, I might then tackle Poul Anderson's For Love And Glory, a late work that I have so far read only once.
Just how out of date an isolated social group might become is shown by this exchange:
"'Do you have any idea how nice it is to find a man who doesn't feel scared of a woman who can think?'
"'Ah...' Advantages of a FirstSide upbringing, he didn't say." (pp. 421-422)
Tom has the wit to reply with a compliment instead.
Roy Tully says that the past was another country. Here, another country is the past. In James Blish's Okies series, exiles from Earth have fled to other planetary systems to preserve their ways of life so that, for the interstellar nomads, traveling further into space is like traveling into the past.
Maybe we can never get into the real past but we can find enclaves of old world attitudes. I felt that a couple of times when, as a Careers Adviser, I visited Army bases.
Blog readers will have realized that I am totally enjoying rereading Conquistador and am in no hurry to reach the end. However, when I do arrive again at the saber-tooth on p. 582, I might then tackle Poul Anderson's For Love And Glory, a late work that I have so far read only once.
Cross-Time Anachronisms
"The reporter was a photographer too, carrying the latest digital model. To Tom's eyes it clashed horribly with the suit and snap-brimmed fedora and pencil-thin trimmed mustache; it was like a computer terminal in It Happened One Night."
-SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Chapter Seventeen, pp. 419-420.
(I had never heard of It Happened One Night and have thought to google it only on the second reading of this novel.)
The reporter's style might be time warp stuff but his camera is an anachronism - wrong time stuff. But this is going to happen if we ever have this kind of cross-time travel.
I read that one Batman TV animated series had styles of clothes, cars etc from the late 1930s when Batman started but also had up-to-date information and computer technology: a synthesis of nostalgic period charm dated-ness with real time cutting edge-ness, easily rationalized by saying that the series is set on an alternative Earth.
Am I lingering too long on the minute details of one novel? Certainly not. A dense and rich text invites total immersion of its readers in its fictional world. It is clear that we have in no way exhausted the wealth of the Commonwealth of New Virginia.
-SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Chapter Seventeen, pp. 419-420.
(I had never heard of It Happened One Night and have thought to google it only on the second reading of this novel.)
The reporter's style might be time warp stuff but his camera is an anachronism - wrong time stuff. But this is going to happen if we ever have this kind of cross-time travel.
I read that one Batman TV animated series had styles of clothes, cars etc from the late 1930s when Batman started but also had up-to-date information and computer technology: a synthesis of nostalgic period charm dated-ness with real time cutting edge-ness, easily rationalized by saying that the series is set on an alternative Earth.
Am I lingering too long on the minute details of one novel? Certainly not. A dense and rich text invites total immersion of its readers in its fictional world. It is clear that we have in no way exhausted the wealth of the Commonwealth of New Virginia.
Ralph Barnes
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004).
Ralph Barnes:
is a physicist and cosmologist;
understands the Big Bang as a quantum fluctuation beginning a universe in series with a standing waveform drawing on zero energy explaining the dark matter problem;
refuses to help John Rolfe conquer more Earths even though he expects to be badly treated or killed in consequence;
makes his own way in New Virginia when given the opportunity;
names his Mermaid Cafe from a line in a Joni Mitchell song;
serves good food;
says "...what he thinks, that the company stinks;"
befriends the young Adrienne Rolfe despite her surname;
has a black son-in-law in the "white-boy heaven" of New Virginia;
gives the Rolfes important intelligence against their (even worse) enemies;
later, helps to reopen the Gate.
What's not to like?
Ralph Barnes:
is a physicist and cosmologist;
understands the Big Bang as a quantum fluctuation beginning a universe in series with a standing waveform drawing on zero energy explaining the dark matter problem;
refuses to help John Rolfe conquer more Earths even though he expects to be badly treated or killed in consequence;
makes his own way in New Virginia when given the opportunity;
names his Mermaid Cafe from a line in a Joni Mitchell song;
serves good food;
says "...what he thinks, that the company stinks;"
befriends the young Adrienne Rolfe despite her surname;
has a black son-in-law in the "white-boy heaven" of New Virginia;
gives the Rolfes important intelligence against their (even worse) enemies;
later, helps to reopen the Gate.
What's not to like?
Differences II
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004).
Tom and Adrienne ride up into the Californian hills:
"After an hour or so he noticed something odd - a silence." (p. 406)
We already know that New Virginia is quieter then FirstSide but this is more specific. The horses and dogs have sensed something. Adrienne points out a leopard in a tree. But we already knew that John Rolfe had imported African and Asian animals. What other differences are there?
Sean Brooks reminded me of one:
"...the prices looked absurdly low." (p. 254)
No inflation. Here is another: neither dictatorship nor democracy but "'...a reasonably law-abiding and benevolent feudal oligarchy.'" (p. 269)
I could live in New Virginia if I could be like Ralph Barnes but that will be another post.
Tom and Adrienne ride up into the Californian hills:
"After an hour or so he noticed something odd - a silence." (p. 406)
We already know that New Virginia is quieter then FirstSide but this is more specific. The horses and dogs have sensed something. Adrienne points out a leopard in a tree. But we already knew that John Rolfe had imported African and Asian animals. What other differences are there?
Sean Brooks reminded me of one:
"...the prices looked absurdly low." (p. 254)
No inflation. Here is another: neither dictatorship nor democracy but "'...a reasonably law-abiding and benevolent feudal oligarchy.'" (p. 269)
I could live in New Virginia if I could be like Ralph Barnes but that will be another post.
Some Vivid Descriptive Passages
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004).
I think that the following list-description belongs on our food thread even though the fish is displayed for sale, not yet for eating:
"The fish section...was a pungent mass of vats and piles of shaved ice topped with sixty-pound yellowtails and huge albacores, barrels of writhing crabs the size of dinner plates, mounds of three-inch prawns, rock lobsters, abalone by the gross, oysters bigger than his fist, ling and flounder, cauldrons of shrimp...." (p. 254)
And here, on p. 324, is another description of natural scenery that evokes the other four senses:
"The cooling engine ticked..."
- heat decreasing but engine ticking -
"...the cries of birds and the endless sough of the wind were louder."
- two more sounds -
"The smell of hot metal was quickly lost beneath the aromas of laurel, ceanothus and minty yerba santa crushed beneath the wheels."
- one "smell" and three "aromas" -
"Long champagne-pale grass rippled in the cool wind off the water..."
- the color of the grass and the coolness of the wind...
Golden poppies, green rushes, freshwater marsh, streams, trees and land:
"...stretched immense to the blue horizon."
- four colors. And a sensory feast.
I think that the following list-description belongs on our food thread even though the fish is displayed for sale, not yet for eating:
"The fish section...was a pungent mass of vats and piles of shaved ice topped with sixty-pound yellowtails and huge albacores, barrels of writhing crabs the size of dinner plates, mounds of three-inch prawns, rock lobsters, abalone by the gross, oysters bigger than his fist, ling and flounder, cauldrons of shrimp...." (p. 254)
And here, on p. 324, is another description of natural scenery that evokes the other four senses:
"The cooling engine ticked..."
- heat decreasing but engine ticking -
"...the cries of birds and the endless sough of the wind were louder."
- two more sounds -
"The smell of hot metal was quickly lost beneath the aromas of laurel, ceanothus and minty yerba santa crushed beneath the wheels."
- one "smell" and three "aromas" -
"Long champagne-pale grass rippled in the cool wind off the water..."
- the color of the grass and the coolness of the wind...
Golden poppies, green rushes, freshwater marsh, streams, trees and land:
"...stretched immense to the blue horizon."
- four colors. And a sensory feast.
Thursday, 11 February 2016
Differences
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004).
How does the Earth of New Virginia differ from the Earth of FirstSide?
"...how quiet it was here - no background hum of machinery and traffic and aircraft and voices, so the sound of the harvester echoed distinct and solitary." (p. 378)
This passage states that Tom noticed again how quiet it was. Although I do think that there was an earlier reference to quietness, I have not found it when looking back through earlier chapters but have found several other differences between the two Earths.
"...the air held virtually nothing of the hydrocarbon stink you'd get in this area on...
"FirstSide , he thought. Get used to the terminology." (p. 249)
"'The baby boom never stopped, here; it always hits me when I go back FirstSide, how few children there are. Our average family is about four kids -'" (p. 252)
"'...'diversity' wasn't a priority in recruitment? Yeah, it's white-boy heaven here.'" (p. 261)
"'I always get the sensation my body's flushing out poisons after a spell FirstSide.'" (pp. 392-393)
(Tom feels the same.)
"...I've never seen an Indian whose people haven't been in contact with us for a century at least." (p. 394)
- but, in New Virginia, Tom notices a disturbing feral quality to a man's gaze and subtle differences in the way he squats and holds himself.
"...the basic geography would be the same as FirstSide, minus the draining and damming and clearing of the past three hundred years - there might be differences in the details, the course of rivers and so forth." (p. 393)
The Commission keeps its maps up to date.
Life swarms. See here. And, of course, there are the time warp moments.
How does the Earth of New Virginia differ from the Earth of FirstSide?
"...how quiet it was here - no background hum of machinery and traffic and aircraft and voices, so the sound of the harvester echoed distinct and solitary." (p. 378)
This passage states that Tom noticed again how quiet it was. Although I do think that there was an earlier reference to quietness, I have not found it when looking back through earlier chapters but have found several other differences between the two Earths.
"...the air held virtually nothing of the hydrocarbon stink you'd get in this area on...
"FirstSide , he thought. Get used to the terminology." (p. 249)
"'The baby boom never stopped, here; it always hits me when I go back FirstSide, how few children there are. Our average family is about four kids -'" (p. 252)
"'...'diversity' wasn't a priority in recruitment? Yeah, it's white-boy heaven here.'" (p. 261)
"'I always get the sensation my body's flushing out poisons after a spell FirstSide.'" (pp. 392-393)
(Tom feels the same.)
"...I've never seen an Indian whose people haven't been in contact with us for a century at least." (p. 394)
- but, in New Virginia, Tom notices a disturbing feral quality to a man's gaze and subtle differences in the way he squats and holds himself.
"...the basic geography would be the same as FirstSide, minus the draining and damming and clearing of the past three hundred years - there might be differences in the details, the course of rivers and so forth." (p. 393)
The Commission keeps its maps up to date.
Life swarms. See here. And, of course, there are the time warp moments.
Fifties-Never-Ended Land
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004).
(From a window of his oval office, John Rolfe, Founder of the Commonwealth of New Virginia, can see Mount Saint Helena.)
Through the viewpoint character, Tom Christiansen, Stirling very effectively shows his readers how we might respond if we found ourselves in a place like New Virginia.
Tom stares open-mouthed at San Francisco Bay without San Francisco (here).
"Napa town ended with the abruptness Tom had become used to in this weird through-the-looking-glass place..." (p. 343)
Alice found that what could be seen in the looking glass, like the back of the clock on the mantelpiece, was the same as in her world but that everything else was wildly different - the clock in Looking Glass House has a smiling face.
"Meeting the father of someone you'd been dating was always a bit fraught, and probably more so here in fifties-never-ended land." (p. 365)
That phrase,"fifties-never-ended," is a good expression for the time warp feeling that Tom has experienced more than once.
We feel that we become very familiar both with this New Virginia and with the Angrezi Raj of another parallel Earth. And which would we prefer to live in?
(From a window of his oval office, John Rolfe, Founder of the Commonwealth of New Virginia, can see Mount Saint Helena.)
Through the viewpoint character, Tom Christiansen, Stirling very effectively shows his readers how we might respond if we found ourselves in a place like New Virginia.
Tom stares open-mouthed at San Francisco Bay without San Francisco (here).
"Napa town ended with the abruptness Tom had become used to in this weird through-the-looking-glass place..." (p. 343)
Alice found that what could be seen in the looking glass, like the back of the clock on the mantelpiece, was the same as in her world but that everything else was wildly different - the clock in Looking Glass House has a smiling face.
"Meeting the father of someone you'd been dating was always a bit fraught, and probably more so here in fifties-never-ended land." (p. 365)
That phrase,"fifties-never-ended," is a good expression for the time warp feeling that Tom has experienced more than once.
We feel that we become very familiar both with this New Virginia and with the Angrezi Raj of another parallel Earth. And which would we prefer to live in?
Wednesday, 10 February 2016
Adrienne Rolfe's Library
SM Stirling, Conquistador (New York, 2004), Chapter Thirteen, p. 356.
One shelf:
Into the Alternate Universe
A World Unknown
The Gates of Creation
Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen
The Complete Paratime
Three Hearts and Three Lions
A Midsummer Tempest
Chase the Morning
The Key to Irunium
Worlds of If
Sideways in Time
Lest Darkness Fall
Guns of the South
We are pleased to recognize two, highly appropriate, titles by Poul Anderson.
The most evocative of these titles, and covers, is Chase the Morning, a quotation from James Elroy Flecker's Hassan:
"Thy merchants chase the morning down the sea..."
Hassan is also in Adrienne's library.
Stirling concludes his The Peshawar Lancers by quoting this same line from Hassan.
The title of Anderson's The Fleet of Stars is a quotation from another poem by Flecker.
Flecker is quite a poet. (See also here.)
One shelf:
Into the Alternate Universe
A World Unknown
The Gates of Creation
Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen
The Complete Paratime
Three Hearts and Three Lions
A Midsummer Tempest
Chase the Morning
The Key to Irunium
Worlds of If
Sideways in Time
Lest Darkness Fall
Guns of the South
We are pleased to recognize two, highly appropriate, titles by Poul Anderson.
The most evocative of these titles, and covers, is Chase the Morning, a quotation from James Elroy Flecker's Hassan:
"Thy merchants chase the morning down the sea..."
Hassan is also in Adrienne's library.
Stirling concludes his The Peshawar Lancers by quoting this same line from Hassan.
The title of Anderson's The Fleet of Stars is a quotation from another poem by Flecker.
Flecker is quite a poet. (See also here.)
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