Monday, 21 August 2023
Links To Three Articles By John K. Hord
Wednesday, 1 May 2019
Creatures Of The Long Night by John K. Hord
Saturday, 1 June 2013
Hord's Theory
Anderson's article answers one of my questions about Desai's theory. According to Hord, not all civilizations are locked into the pattern that he describes. Instead, some, existing at the time he was writing, were in "free growth." (p. 10)
But, in most cases:
society fails to solve some basic problem;
about 125 years later, that society breaks down unless, within that time, the breakdown event is retrospectively identified and the damage repaired;
but, with the passage of time, repair becomes harder, then impossible;
loyalty to failing institutions is strained until civil wars (Chinese "Contending States") ensue;
many brilliant achievements of a civilization date from this epoch;
one contender succeeds "...and establishes a Toynbeean 'universal state'" (p. 11);
the "principate" phase of the universal state is, first, enlightened and tolerant but, later, corrupted and losing all legitimacy;
a new round of civil wars and equally ruthless although quieter power struggles leads to the increasingly oppressive "dominate" phase, which also breaks down;
in the following dark age, a new society is born;
the gestating society has bad times but also hopeful periods, for example when its "ghost empire" disintegrates (I have heard the Catholic Church described as the ghost of the Roman Empire enthroned on its tomb but I do not know whether this is one of Hord's "ghost empires");
having exhausted the pattern, society takes off into "free growth," apparently able to develop in any direction unless, presumably, another basic problem remains unsolved, thus re-initiating the pattern of about 1500 years from breakdown to rebirth, although some broken-down societies have been retrieved by "conversion tyrannies" with their own shorter pattern and some universal states have been aborted (that would be by invasion and conquest, according to Desai).
Hord's contributions are the closely measured spans for the stages but also the recognition that there is no absolute inevitability.
Tuesday, 4 October 2022
Hord And Spengler
Hord's relevance to the Technic History is explained in a SFWA Bulletin article by Anderson and is spelled out, without naming Hord, by Chunderban Desai in A Knight Of Ghosts And Shadows and by Dominic Flandry in A Stone In Heaven.
In Cities In Flight, Volume II, A Life For The Stars, the New York City Fathers (computers) electrocram Chris DeFord with:
Wednesday, 1 May 2019
Spengler, Hord And Two Science Fiction Authors
"Creatures Of The Long Night: Man And Society At The End Of Civilization" by John K. Hord (see here)
Cities In Flight by James Blish
The Technic Civilization Saga by Poul Anderson
Time Patrol by Poul Anderson
Hord presents a chart, "After Empire: Sample Cases," with the sub-headings, "Universal State," "Resurrection State" and "Future Civilization," but I have not yet made sense of this. Hord's essay is directly relevant to the two works by Anderson.
The omnibus collection of Blish's Cities In Flight (London, 1981) ends, on pp. 597-607, with:
"AFTERWORD:
"THE EARTHMANIST CULTURE:
"CITIES IN FLIGHT as a Spenglerian History"
by Richard D. Mullen.
The Afterword closes with a table comparing four cultures:
Classical;
Arabian;
Western;
Earthmanist.
Thus, Anderson's and Blish's future history series are each closely related to a different theory of historical decline.
Saturday, 1 June 2013
Anderson On Hord's Theory
Again according to Hord, as reported by Anderson, Cromwellian conversion tyranny separated England and its colonies, thus begetting new societies. Anderson's own idea, based on Hordian theory, is that American society broke down in 1913 when direct election of senators destroyed the federal republic, income tax undermined liberty and privacy and the Federal Reserve started wrecking the economy. Americans have until about 2040 to repair the damage...
Yet again, I would see the main problems as lying elsewhere but my purpose in this and the last few posts has been to track down what Anderson tells us about Hord and how the latter affected the world of van Rijn, Falkayn and Flandry. I am now much clearer on these issues and hope that some of my readers might be as well.
Wednesday, 27 January 2021
Three Stages Of Flandry
Wednesday, 17 February 2021
Desai And Toynbee
Tuesday, 22 August 2023
Historical Theories, Past And Future
Wednesday, 29 September 2021
A Philosophical Basis For SF?
A theory of human nature is useful when speculating about human capabilities and prospects on a cosmic time-scale. Anderson's Harvest Of Stars future history presupposes that the memories and sense of identity of a human personality can be reproduced either in an artificial neural network or in a newly grown organic body, thus that consciousness is materially based, thus further that personal identity is not dependent on any unique immaterial soul.
Science fiction is about change. An sf writer should not merely project past or future societies into future periods - unless he can present a good reason to do this. And, even then, many details at least should differ.
I think that we can say more about human consciousness than just that it is materially based. Human beings are differentiated as a species by the fact they have changed their environment with hands and brain and have changed themselves in the process and continue to do so. They have changed themselves into homo sapiens through labor, language and abstract thought. This species can either destroy or transform an entire planet. Human beings are dynamic and plastic, not static. "Human nature" means the nature of humanity but should not imply any unchanging essence although it is commonly used to mean the latter.
With technologically produced abundant wealth, there will no longer be any need to accumulate, hoard, compete, fight or steal any more than we currently fight for the air that we breathe whereas, if even air comes to be in short supply, that will be a different matter. At present, poverty and deprivation cause violence which is ideologically rationalized in terms of received beliefs that otherwise would be of merely historical interest.
So what do I expect for the further future? Either extinction or a very different and much better world. However, I am not an sf writer so meanwhile I commend Poul Anderson's Harvest Of Stars and Genesis.
Addendum: People born into a completely different culture and brought up to live in a completely different way will not be people as we know them now. Those who are used to peace and prosperity have no reason to resort to crime or terrorism.
Wednesday, 7 December 2022
Augustus And Argos
Augustus Caesar, founder of the Roman Empire, in "August" by Neil Gaiman;
Manuel Argos, founder of the Terran Empire, in "The Star Plunderer" by Poul Anderson.
The Terran Empire did not last because it was a stage in the decline of a civilization as analysed by John K. Hord and Chunderban Desai.
The Roman Empire did not last because Terminus, god of boundaries, asked Morpheus to visit Augustus in a dream.
Speculative fiction as against fantasy but both make a serious point. Expressed mythologically, even Jupiter must bow to Terminus.
Monday, 25 January 2021
Beginning Flandry's Legacy: A Stone In Heaven
Like Poul Anderson's World Without Stars and The Rebel Worlds, his A Stone In Heaven begins with an alien point of view. This is familiar Andersonian sf which does not immediately tell us that it is part of his Technic History.
In Baen Books' Flandry's Legacy:
Wednesday, 5 October 2022
Future Civilizations
Maybe some future histories, like Heinlein's, just show Western civilization continuing into an indefinite future? On the other hand, Heinlein's Time Chart ends:
Monday, 14 November 2022
Desai's Contributions
The Day Of Their Return.
Chunderban Desai:
summarizes the Terran Empire section of the Technic History to date in his conversation with Uldwyr;
introduces Aycharaych in his conversation with the latter;
introduces Aeneas in his conversation with Peter Jowett;
learns about Cosmenosis in his conversation with Tatiana Thane;
resolves the immediate crisis in his concluding conversation with Ivar Frederiksen and Tatiana Thane;
summarizes John K. Hord's cyclical theory of history in his conversation with Dominic Flandry in a later volume.
Poul Anderson's History of Technic Civilization is packed with characters appearing only once or twice but making significant contributions who should not be overshadowed by the Big Three.
Friday, 12 November 2021
The Technic History, Cities In Flight And Flying Mountains
James Blish's Cities In Flight opens with They Shall Have Stars, published in 1956, set in 2013. The first manned vehicle in space was in 1962. (In our timeline: Yuri Gagarin, 1961.) Titan Station was established in 1981.
They Shall Have Stars is preceded by two quotations, the first from the real Dylan Thomas, the second from the fictional "Acreff-Monales: The Milky Way: Five Cultural Portraits." The Prelude to Book One is preceded by a quotation from the real J. Robert Oppenheimer. Thus, Blish's lead-in to his future history is unusually elaborate. See The Structure Of They Shall Have Stars, coincidentally posted in 2013.
The Technic History refers to the historical theory of John K. Hord whereas Cities In Flight refers to Oswald Spengler's The Decline of The West.
Cities In Flight resembles Anderson's Tales Of The Flying Mountains in that it begins with a politician giving attention to a crackpot theory of gravity. See:
Sunday, 2 June 2013
The Technic History And Anderson's Genesis
(i) The Technic History is a series written sporadically from 1951 to 1985 whereas Genesis is a single work published in 2000.
(ii) Both are future histories. However, the History is an originally unplanned Heinleinian future history series comprising stories and novels covering several centuries and millennia whereas Genesis synthesizes the Heinleinian and Stapledonian future history models by covering millions of years with some chapters featuring characters and conversations (the Heinlein model) but others summarizing Solar and galactic developments on much longer time scales (the Stapledon model):
"Sol swung onward through its orbit, once around galactic center in almost two hundred million years..." (Genesis, New York, 2001, p. 96)
(iii) In the Technic History, consciousness-level computers were developed but discontinued because they lacked intuition whereas, in Genesis, it is inter-linked post-organic intelligences that gradually become a Stapledonian galactic brain.
(iv) Some parts of the Technic History are based on John K Hord's theory of history. According to that theory, the failure of the fifteenth-century ecclesiastical conciliar movement was a breakdown point for Western European society. Genesis features an AI "emulation" in which that movement succeeded, restoring power from the papacy to the bishops, thus preventing the Reformation. I still think that, in any history that went beyond feudalism, bourgeois individualism would have led to private interpretation of scripture, salvation by "faith alone" and "predestination" fantastically reflecting the unaccountability of success in a competitive economy. All of these changed religious beliefs would entail a challenge to the authority not only of the Pope but also of bishops and priests.
Thursday, 20 June 2024
Alternative Histories And A Summation
two short stories are set in alternative histories - Alexander did not die young, the Jews did not return from Babylon;
in the Time Patrol series, Stane describes the peaceful future that he had hoped to bring about, two Neldorians do help Carthage to defeat Rome, quantum fluctuations upset the Medieval church-state balance of power, first one way, then the other;
in Genesis, Gaia generates an emulation where the conciliar movement succeeded and there was no Reformation or wars of religion but later Germany became powerful and oppressive.
SM Stirling added a Time Patrol story where World War I was prevented but, of course, the Patrol had to restore it.
John K. Hord, whose theory of historical cycles underpinned Anderson's Technic History, regarded the failure of the conciliar movement as a historical breakdown point. Again, Anderson's Genesis, whose title implies a new beginning, also seems like a summation of all that has gone before.
Thursday, 15 May 2025
A Stone In Heaven
We will perhaps reread A Stone In Heaven which features Cairncross. A Stone... is dedicated to John K. Hord whose theory of history Anderson applies in A Knight Of Ghosts And Shadows and in A Stone...
In the opening chapter of A Stone..., the Ramnuan, Yewwl, has an oath-sister, "Banner," based in Wainwright Station. The name of the station suggests that it is staffed by human beings but we do not at first suspect, although we will soon be informed, that "Banner" is Miriam Abrams. Nor has the text yet confirmed that Ramnu exists in the Technic History universe.
Other reading: I think that there is a structural problem in Robert Harris' Conclave relating to the seal of Confession.
Tuesday, 3 October 2017
Learning History IV
See Learning History III.
In Europe, the Edwardian period was called the belle epoque." (p. 184)
In York Minster, the windows include the Five Sisters. (ibid.)
Christian and Laurinda hear Mass at the tierce hour, then, after, the Nunc Dimittis, wander around the Minster. (p. 185)
This alternative York has "...somehow Teutonic architecture." The George and Dragon public house is in a Tudor building and serves Continental beer. (p. 186)
In this emulated history, the conciliar movement succeeded. The Councils of Constance and Basel healed the Great Schism and made a reconciliation with the Hussites. (p. 187) In Poul Anderson's SFWA Bulletin article, he tells us that John K. Hord regarded the Council of Basel as the beginning of the breakdown of Western European civilization.
Monday, 29 April 2019
Learning
the decline of the Polesotechnic League;
the transition from League to Empire;
the changes in the Empire during Flandry's lifetime;
the almost inevitable Fall of the Empire;
the possibility of free growth in post-Imperial history.
I have not finished posting about the Technic History but am still revisiting the character of Nicholas van Rijn who appears in ten of the forty three installments of the History. His character is consistently presented but new details are still there to be found like throwing crockery. The planet discovered in the van Rijn story, "Hiding Place," is later named Vanrijn, (scroll down) as we learn in the Dominic Flandry novel, The Rebel Worlds. There is no end to the History's solidity and internal consistency.









