Saturday, 28 October 2017

Fate And War

Poul Anderson's goetic universe has God and the Devil and is part of a multiverse that also encompasses Norse, Aztec and other pantheons. A Lutheran minister suggests that a Catholic priest or a Neo-Chassidic rabbi might be better able to invoke a saint. See here. SM Stirling's Emberverse has emergent trans-cosmic Mind manifesting as Odin to a heathen, as the Triple Goddess to a Wiccan and as the Virgin Mary to a Catholic priest. Thus, Catholics operate in both contexts although maybe not as they think.

Ian Fleming's Vivienne Michel, brought up as a Catholic, invents an elaborate composite cosmology when under extreme stress. James Bond has said that, if anything happens to him, she must tell the authorities who he was:

"Why did he have to say such a thing, put the idea into the mind of God, of Fate, of whoever was controlling tonight? One should never send out black thoughts. They live on, like sound-waves, and get into the stream of consciousness in which we all swim. If God, Fate, happened to be listening in, at that moment, on that particular wave-length, it might be made to happen. The hint of a death-thought might be misunderstood. It might be read as a request!"
-Ian Fleming, The Spy Who Loved Me (London, 1980), Chapter Thirteen, p. 139.

Where did she get all that from? "God" is there, unorthodoxly. She admits that her German lover, Kurt, had been full of "...Germanic magical double-talk..." (ibid.), like:

"cosmic chain reactions";
"cryptograms of the life-force";
the "Central Dynamic."

Kurt, with his ideas of racial purity, was a hang-over from World War II no less than Bond's target, the ex-Gestapo SPECTRE assassin, Horst Uhlmann. That War casts a long shadow both forwards and sideways in time:

as late as 1964, Bond works with a former Japanese combatant;
in Anderson's Three Hearts And Three Lions, the War on our Earth parallels the supernatural conflict in the Carolingian universe;
Charles Whitcomb is recruited to the Time Patrol after being demobbed from the RAF in 1947;
Stirling's Japanese Imperials remember that their ancestors fought the ancestors of the Montivalans.

5 comments:

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

It was the Lutheran minister seen OPERATION CHAOS which helped, at one time, to make me wonder if Poul Anderson had been raised a Lutheran. I was surprised to find out he was a lapsed Episcopalian!

Of course you know this, but any moderately knowledgeable Catholic would protest against associating the Blessed Virgin as being God (never mind notions of an "emergent trans-cosmic Mind"!). Also, I think Emberverse Catholics deny the pagan gods are real "gods."

I've been sidetracked from re-reading Stirling's THE SUNRISE LANDS to rereading instead Rudyard Kipling's KIM. Largely because of the recent discussions about spy novels and Intelligence work.

Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,
I am pleased to guide your rereading!
Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

And I look forward to you continuing to do so! (Smiles)

Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Poul certainly knew a lot of Lutherans, though... 8-).

Sean M. Brooks said...

Dear Mr. Stirling,

That does not surprise me! Poul Anderson must have visited Norway and Denmark many times. And quite a few Lutherans live in the Mid West of the US, where he grew up. So I THOUGHT he was raised Lutheran.

Sean