Thursday, 24 April 2025

Nations

The political background of the Nicholas van Rijn collection, Trader To The Stars, is the Solar Commonwealth. In the van Rijn/Falkayn/trader team novel, Mirkheim, the Commonwealth merges with the Home Companies, one of the two rival cartels in the Polesotechnic League, and thus becomes a corporate state. This development and the consequent civil war are the beginning of the terminal decline of the League and the reason why David Falkayn leads the colonization of Avalon outside human space. 

Hloch is our historian of this period of Technic civilization. In the interstitial passage between the first and second of the stories that he collects in The Earth Book Of Stormgate, Hloch explains to his Ythrian readers what a "nation" is and how the Commonwealth grew out of "nations" while at the same time curbing the potentially Earth-devastating conflicts between them. Even the contemporary Terran Empire cannot be fully understood without reference to "nation."

While the Commonwealth was developing, exploration and colonization spread through this part of the galaxy. The future Avalon was explored by Ythrians employing human beings although not yet colonized. Hloch's summary of this historical period is invaluable and would not have been written except as part of the Earth Book.

16 comments:

S.M. Stirling said...

The Commonwealth thing Poul describes is an extreme example of "regulatory capture".

If you regulated big companies extensively, they have an -extreme- incentive to penetrate and capture the regulatory apparatus, and the political parties that enable it.

And since they're both smart and rich, they'll generally succeed.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

Exactly, and I don't believe one bit in Utopian dreams of somehow putting an end to that kind of intrigue and skullduggery.

Bet this won't get uploaded.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

It is not Utopia. Technologically produced abundance can make economic competition and therefore this kind of intrigue redundant.

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Utopian

S.M. Stirling said...

Paul: money at that level isn't about consumption, it's about -power-. Elon Musk spends a lot of his time living in a $50,000 prefabricated house near Starbase. He's in business because he wants to colonize Mars... and that takes enormous resources and power.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

Trying to comment again.

And that seems so patently obvious to me! Meaning we are going to have intrigue and skullduggery in the future, no matter how prosperous. Power is a limited positional good, there's never going to be enough to go around.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

But power as ability to coerce need not exist:

election and accountability of all public officials;

no standing army that can be deployed against a population;

at least part-time involvement of the entire population in defense when necessary but not otherwise.

Not possible now but there can be very different conditions in future.

S.M. Stirling said...

Paul: as for defense, specialists beat amateurs. You can have citizen armies (via conscription) but they require an extensive framework of professionals who make a career of arms. Otherwise you've got a worthless rabble.

And we elect public officials now; that doesn't stop them from being power-hungry and/or corrupt.

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Specialists beat amateurs, of course. I am envisaging a transitional period when society is being changed and large numbers of people are motivated to defend the new arrangements. After that, hopefully, a better world no longer divided into armed camps.

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Of course I also hope that there will be many more procedures not only for regular elections but also for genuine accountability.

Representatives not earning more than the regular wages or salaries of their electorates is another measure that has also been proposed.

S.M. Stirling said...

Paul: the problem with "accountability" is that the people who hold others accountable... are the people who need to be held accountable.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

On some matters no meeting of minds is possible. I'm going to continue regarding your hopes and wishes to be futile, hopeless, unrealistic.

As Stirling more or less said immediately above: "Who will watch the watchmen"?

Testing.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

We are the watchmen - when fully democratic procedures, enhanced by information and communication technology, are in place.

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,

If you are invited to consider the implications of vast technological and cultural changes and social reorganizations and you continue to envisage a completely unchanged society, then yes we remain at odds.

Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

Correct, because I don't believe human beings, human nature, is going to change in the ways you persist in hoping for. Chapter 6 of GENESIS is far more realistic in what is likely to happen in even the most advanced and prosperous societies. People will continue to struggle and compete for kudos, prestige, status, power.

Testing.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,

But I keep replying that power as means of coercion need not continue to exist and that prestige and status do not matter if some people continue to want them.

Paul.