Saturday, 22 January 2022

Not On Earth

Poul Anderson, "The Three-Cornered Wheel" IN Anderson, The Van Rijn Method (Riverdale, NY, 2009), pp. 199-261 AT I, p. 202.

David Falkayn reflects that the Ivanhoan's brain:

"...had not evolved on Earth. And when, in addition to every inborn strangeness, the mind was shaped by a culture that no man really understood...how much communication was possible?" (p. 202)

But man and Ivanhoan are conducting a mutually comprehensible conversation that we read in English just as if both of these characters were human. British sf writer, Bob Shaw, believed that human beings and aliens would think so differently that no easy communication would ever be possible and he never showed inter-species conversations in his fiction. If this Shavian dictum were to be taken seriously, then how many sf works would be invalidated?

(The three works shown in the attached image form a loose trilogy:

Trader To The Stars, van Rijn;
The Trouble Twisters, Falkayn's early career and his leadership of van Rijn's first trade pioneer crew;
Satan's World, the team calls on van Rijn when Falkayn is kidnapped.)

8 comments:

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

I am not so sure as was Bob Shaw that communications between humans and aliens would be that impossible and difficult to achieve. If only because we don't kow,either way.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

If you have intelligent tool-users in a roughly similar environment, communication will probably be possible.

Because they'll both be concerned with similar things -- getting food and goods, for instance.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

I agree. Humans and aliens might begin to communicate with each other using simple arithmetic. E.g., II . I = III, and so on.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Carl Sagan shows how easy mathematical communication would be in CONTACT.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

Maybe not THAT easy, at first, but certainly possible. And I think Anderson discussed that in IS THERE LIFE ON OTHER WORLDS?

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,

We could easily understand:

single beep
arbitrary symbol
second single beep
second arbitrary symbol
two beeps

The arbitrary symbols obviously mean "+" and "=". And, from that, the whole of mathematics can be built up. Then come engineering instructions. I would not be able to understand beyond the earliest stages but then I would not have to.

Paul.

S.M. Stirling said...

H. Beam Piper did a story, OMNILINGUAL, in which math and the periodic table are the basis for cracking the language of a vanished civilization.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul and Mr. Stirling!

Paul: I agree.

Mr. Stirling: I'm almost sure I read that Piper story somewhere, in one of the collections I have of SF stories.

Ad astra! Sean