Saturday 2 January 2021

Adam And Aristotle

Mirkheim.

Determined though we are to note every quote from the Bible, we might miss some because they have become so embedded in our language that we no longer think of them as specifically Biblical. Thus, "Adam" has come to mean just "the first man."

Van Rijn sees his newborn great-grandson:

"'Hallo, hallo, harroo!' the old man boomed. 'Congratugoddamnulations! Is that the pup? Ah, a whopper. He has the family looks, I see - never mind which family, Adam's maybe, they are all crumpled red worms at this age. How is you?'" (XVIII, pp. 247-248)

Absolutely anyone can refer to Adam but van Rijn later displays erudition by mentioning Aristotle after waging war:

"'Halloo, harroo,' he chortled, 'how I feel youthed! We had what Aristotle called a cathartic, ja, and gives me an abysmal appetite.'" (XX, p. 267)

I have just read about Aristotle elsewhere and the content was highly relevant to this blog and to van Rijn's multifarious machinations:

"Aristotle thought that property served to make men more virtuous, giving them a responsibility to the earth that made them serious citizens. Plato, that proto-communist, thought that property corrupted men, and in The Republic sketched a vision where nothing was owned, and each man received a daily salary for his work. Two hundred years later, Virgil wrote of a halcyon age where:

"No fences parted fields, nor marks nor bounds
"Distinguished acres of litigious grounds
"But all was common."
-Nick Hayes, The Book Of Trespass (London, 2020), p. 28.

With that much disagreement between the first two written Greek philosophies, maybe we can be excused for remaining confused down to the present day?

10 comments:

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

And I am far more inclined to side with Old Nick and Aristotle, and not with Plato's tyrannical vision of society and the state. The first two at least allowed for the sheer complexity of human life and did not pretend (unlike Plato) to lay down a single, one size fits all scheme.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Note how Plato and Aristotle ended up.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

I admit to not quite understanding what you mean. Aristotle, and after him, the Scholastics and their successors, became one of the most dominant and influential roots of Western philosophy, science, and civilization (as Anderson pointed out in works like IS THERE LIFE ON OTHER WORLDS?). I don't think that was the case with Plato and Platonism.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,

Plato influenced Augustine as Aristotle influenced Aquinas. CS Lewis was a Christian Platonist. Some of Plato's ways of arguing for the immortality of the soul were adapted by Christians.

Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

Granted! I should have thought the points you listed. Plato left his own mark as well on Western civilization.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

I had their personal fates in mind; Aristotle became the mentor of Alexander the Great, and therebye restored his home city of Abdera.

Compare and contrast Plato's (mis)adventures in Syracuse, and his attempt to turn his pupil Dion into the philosopher-king of his dreams.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

Now I understand. Aristotle was much more politic than Plato. You might say he was more of a POLITICIAN than Plato.

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Sean: I think Aristotle was more scientific.

He observed, and then drew conclusions from it.

Plato started out with the conclusions he wanted, and tried to cut the world to fit.

Aristotle understood human beings as they actually are better than Plato.

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Agreed. Aristotle scientific. Plato mystical.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling and Paul!

Mr. Stirling: I agree. However mistaken some of Aristotle's conclusions were, at least he TRIED. And his example, thru the Scholastics, became one of the roots of a true science.

Paul: And so much HARM has been done by "mystics" trying to force human beings to conform to their preferred conclusions.

Ad astra! Sean