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Friday, 13 September 2013

Plato's Cave

Fifty years of writing by Poul Anderson were celebrated by Going For Infinity, a new collection of stories published during that period with additional autobiographical passages. Fifty years of writing by Isaac Asimov were celebrated by Foundation's Friends (London, 1991), an anthology of new stories inspired by Asimov's works. Thus, all the stories in Going For Infinity and one in Foundation's Friends are by Poul Anderson.

The "Foundation's Friends" that are new contributions to Asimov's future history cover three periods:

US Robots (2 stories);
Elijah Bailey (1);
Empire and Foundations (3).

Anderson's "Plato's Cave" is one of the US Robots items.

In Platonic philosophy, particulars, eg, particular men or round objects, are imperfect copies of a universal Idea, i. e., in these cases, Man and Circularity, just as a shadow is an imperfect copy of a solid object:

"'...we are like prisoners chained in a cave who cannot see the outside, yust the shadows of t'ings that are cast on the wall. From this they must try to guess what the reality is.'" (p. 268)

- explains one of Anderson's characters, Captain Borup, in his Danish accent. Borup says that the metaphorical shadows are unreliable images only because the senses are often wrong, not because the Ideas are, in Plato's view, beyond the sensory realm. But, in any case, Borup cites Plato's cave only to make a comparison with the robotic conundrum encountered by Powell and Donovan.

A robot is bound to obey a human being but can be hoodwinked into thinking that the entity communicating with him by laser beam is just another robot especially if he has been led to suspect that the transmitted image has been tampered with. In this sense, the hoodwinked robot, Jack, is in Plato's cave. Powell and Donovan must appear to be committing pointless suicide only to be stopped by a peremptory order from Borup in order to convince the robot that has been impersonating a man (in order to fool Jack) that Borup at least is probably human and must be obeyed. Anderson gets into the spirit of Asimov's robot puzzle stories.

As often in Anderson's puzzle stories, there is a moment when one of the characters has suddenly realized the answer but does not tell us what it is yet:

"He broke off. Donovan had smacked fist into palm. Powell drew a whistling breath." (p. 272)

- and thereafter the problem is solved.

Monday, 16 June 2014

Plato's Cave Again

A Zacharian defends his people's support for Merseia:

"'We owe the Terran Empire nothing. It dragooned our forebears into itself. It has spurned our leadership, the vision that animated the Founders. It will only allow us to remain ourselves on this single patch of land, afar in its marches. Here we dwell like Plato's man in chains, seeing only shadows on the wall of our cave, shadows cast by the living universe. The Merseians have no cause to fear or shun us. Rather, they will welcome us as their intermediaries with the human commonality. They will grant us the same boundless freedom they want for themselves.'"
-Poul Anderson, Flandry's Legacy (New York, 2012), p. 423.

Nonsense, man! You are in the living universe. You are free to travel, trade and explore. Do you want a freedom "granted" by Merseia? Your only right to "lead" is the same as anyone else's: give us a moral or social lead or example and find out whether we freely follow your example.

Anderson wrote an Asimov Robots story called "Plato's Cave." Plato stood reality on its head. He thought that ideas were not abstractions from our experience but that they were ultimate realities merely reflected by sensory experience. Thus, his men watching shadows in a cave were (so he thought) seeing objects which were merely copies of ideas whereas, I suggest, it is the ideas that are derived, by abstraction and generalization, from the real objects. The universe contains many real animals from which "animal-hood" is an abstraction, not vice versa.

In any case, the Zacharians on their island cannot claim that they see only shadows.

Saturday, 16 June 2018

Plato's Cave And Platonic Essence

Writers of fiction refer to Plato:

Poul Anderson wrote "Plato's Cave";

Star Trek includes "Plato's Stepchildren";

CS Lewis described the mortal realm as "Shadowlands" (see below);

Lewis' Professor says that it is all in Plato (see here);

in Out Of The Silent Planet, Lewis fictitiously corresponds with Ransom about twelfth century Platonists;

SM Stirling's characters eat the "...Platonic essence of grilled steer..."
-SM Stirling, Shadows Of Falling Night (New York, 2014), CHAPTER FOURTEEN, p. 278.

Plato thought and taught that:

Ideas, like Goodness and Beauty, are perfect eternal realities because they are unchanged whenever we contemplate them;

transient instances of goodness and beauty are imperfect imitations of the corresponding Ideas;

sensory organs perceiving these imperfect imitations are like men seeing shadows on the wall of a cave and mistaking them for realities;

immortal intellectual souls contemplate Ideas between incarnations and are reminded of them by their sensory imitations.

My Comments
Reality is concrete, not abstract, whereas ideas are abstractions.
Philosophy, standing on its head, needed to be turned onto its feet.
When I ate a banana in Elba, I thought that every banana that I had ever eaten had tried and failed to imitate this perfect Banana.
Lewis thought that Heaven would contain Platonic essences that were concrete, not abstract, like that Elban Banana. (Excellent, if possible.)

Wednesday, 10 May 2023

Some Of Foundation's Friends

Although Dominic Flandry imagines the sack of Terra and although we are to understand that this event does occur later, it is not described in any subsequent Technic History instalment but maybe we can find an account of an equivalent event in another future history series? Harry Turtledove wrote "Trantor Falls" for Martin H. Greenberg (Ed.), Foundation's Friends: Stories in Honour of Isaac Asimov (London, 1991). Trantor, like Terra in Flandry's time, is an (even more) urbanized capital of an interstellar empire. However, instead of describing the planetary sack, Turtledove assures us that the Second Foundation remains secure in the well-defended Library of the University of Trantor. (The location of the Second Foundation is meant to come as a surprise at the end of the original Foundation Trilogy. Thus, "Trantor Falls" is one of those "prequels" that is better read later.)

Foundation's Friends also includes "Plato's Cave" by Poul Anderson. We might revisit this story, having posted about it a while back. See here. Anderson competently contributed instalments to future history series by several other authors. Thus, "Plato's Cave" has a very different status from Anderson's "The Star Plunderer" which had not been written as an instalment of any series but was incorporated into his Technic History.

Friday, 13 September 2013

Other Series

Recently for this blog, I:

reread Poul Anderson's contributions to the Medea and berserker series;

discovered that Anderson's For Love And Glory was based on his two contributions to the "Isaac's Universe" series;

was surprised to learn that his Cappen Varra stories crossover with Thieves' World.

Now I notice that his contribution to Isaac Asimov's Robots series is called "Plato's Cave" (Martin H Greenberg, Editor, Foundation's Friends, London, 1991) and therefore should be of interest to a Philosophy graduate. I will shortly reread it, having previously read it just once on purchasing Foundation's Friend when that was newly published.

As far as I remember, this story was a fully consistent addition to the series, featuring the United States Robots and Mechanical Men trouble shooters, Donovan and Powell, while referring to the robopsychologist, Susan Calvin, and the politician, Stephen Byerley.

I, Robot is perhaps Asimov's best work, beginning with experimental robots and culminating in a Stapledonian apotheosis when giant robotic Brains control the global ecology and economy for the human good. They apply what later came to be called the Zeroth (pre-First) Law of Robotics, preventing harm not to individual human beings but to humanity. Asimov surpassed himself in the sequel, "That Thou Art Mindful of Him," when the Brains, having judged that self-determination is the greatest human good, have phased themselves out but there is now a threat from another robot model called the Georges.

Foundation's Friends comprises:

one contribution each to the Black Widowers, Wendell Urth and thiotimoline series;

one sequel each to "Nightfall" and "The Dead Past";

two stories about Asimov, in the future and in an alternative present;

four non-future history Robot stories;

six contributions, totaling 241 pages, to Asimov's Robots and Empire future history, including "Plato's Cave."

I think that this future history was later diluted by too many new Hari Seldon novels by other authors but the idea of expanding Asimov's future history was new when Foundation's Friends was originally published in 1989.

Tuesday, 26 April 2016

Other Fictional Universes

BLOG UPDATE: The previous three posts have been copied from other blogs to give them wider coverage here. The present post is original to this blog.

"'It would be nice to see that man Stephen Byerly someday be coordinator.'"
-Poul Anderson, "Plato's Cave" IN Martin H Greenberg, Ed., Foundation's Friends (London, 1991), pp. 234-277 AT p. 250.

"'The Empire's in upheaval.'"
-Poul Anderson, "The Deserter" IN Jerry Pournelle, John F Carr and Roland Green, Eds., War World: The Burning Eye (New York, 1988), pp. 54-105 AT p. 64.

These two quotations demonstrate that Poul Anderson can be fully at home in other authors' fictional universes. The Empire of the second quotation is neither Isaac Asimov's Galactic Empire nor Anderson's own Terran Empire but Jerry Pournelle's First Empire of Man. But Anderson understands the processes in these two universes as well as in his own.

Here is another reference to the Dog and the Wolf:

"...any flourishing ranch draws wolves, once the watchdogs have departed." (The Burning Eye, p. 67)

- and a parallel with Anderson's Technic History:

"Like a receding tide, the withdrawal of the Empire was slow and fitful." (The Burning Eye, p. 68)

"...Irumclaw lay like a piece of wreckage at the edge of the receding tide of Empire."
-Poul Anderson, A Circus Of Hells IN Anderson, Young Flandry (New York, 2010), pp. 193-365 AT p. 204.

I confess to some uncertainty as to what happens at the conclusion of "The Deserter." The narrator leaves two men in a cave and they are not there when he returns... OK. He has connived at their escape - I think.

Wednesday, 30 August 2017

Shadows

The Triple Goddess: "...here this is not a war between good and evil."
Rudi/Artos: "It most certainly is in the world of common day!"
The Triple Goddess: "Yes, it is...That is the shadow it throws there, and those in the cave see it on the wall. And it is true, what they see."

I have re-presented as a dramatic dialogue part of a conversation in SM Stirling, The Given Sacrifice (New York, 2014), Chapter Seventeen, pp. 362-363.

The Goddess refers to Plato's Cave - thus, more philosophy - although I do not think that Plato would describe the "shadows" as true. I still want to know why a disagreement within the tranescosmic Mind becomes a war between good and evil on the human level but I expect more explanation as we proceed.

Saturday, 27 June 2026

Fictional Universes

Readers like to immerse themselves in fictional universes. I need hardly cite examples. An author who immerses himself in such a universe, whether his own or someone else's, can utilize it as a background to create new kinds of stories about new characters. Asked to contribute to a few juvenile anthologies, Poul Anderson took the opportunity to write short stories about the colonization of Avalon, with David Falkayn referred to only as the grandfather of the viewpoint character, Nat.

Anderson also familiarized himself enough with several other sf universes to be able to write stories set in those universes as summarized in the combox here. These included Asimov's Robots series. Anderson's story, "Plato's Cave," features the regular US Robots troubleshooters, Powell and Donovan, and also refers to Stephen Byerley who was running for Mayor somewhere in another story at that time - an excellent use of existing material.

These observations are occasioned by my appreciation of Alan Moore's transformations of multiple DC Comics characters, some universally known, others obscure, in his Swamp Thing series to which I will now return over a second mug of breakfast coffee. A normal Saturday in Lancaster stretches ahead.

Saturday, 11 March 2017

A Philosophical Challenge

I think that sf by Poul Anderson and related authors is philosophical fiction because it asks: what is the nature of mankind and the universe? Imagine technology either progressing or regressing, then ask how this would affect people and how they would respond to it. Next, imagine people traveling through space, time and other dimensions, then ask what they would find there and how they would respond to that.

I think that by now we have addressed every major issue:

the Platonic theory of knowledge, in "Plato's Cave";
whether human beings have souls in "The Martyr";
how social change should, and should not, be managed, in Mirkheim;
whether Artificial Intelligence is possible - all alternative answers addressed;
whether life is common, rare or unique to Earth - likewise;
whether human existence is worth all the suffering involved, in Genesis;
the war and pacifism issue, in many works;
how society should be organized, in the Psychotechnic History;
the consequences of physical immortality, in at least three works;
etc.

Here is the challenge: if there is an issue that we have not addressed, then please highlight it - and we will probably find a relevant passage in the Anderson canon.

Thursday, 11 May 2023

Elementary

Sherlock Holmes is culturally ubiquitous. Turning to other reading, as I do later in the evening, I find Inspector Montalbano reflecting on his girlfriend:

"When she put her mind to it, Livia was worse than Sherlock Holmes."
-Andrea Camilleri, The Paper Moon (London, 2008), 1, p. 4.

But I have just read:

"Powell regarded his partner closely. 'Once in a while you surprise me,' he confessed. 'Marvellous, my dear Holmes!'
"Donovan bowed. 'Elementary, my dear Watson.'
"'Holmes and Watson never said that,' Borup remarked aside."
-"Plato's Cave," pp. 259-260.

We need not revisit every Andersonian reference to Holmes although I will mention that somewhere Nicholas van Rijn coins or uses the term, "Sherlockery."

It does not matter that Holmes never said, "Elementary, my dear Watson." He did say, "Elementary." He did say, "My dear Watson." At one point, he says both in quick succession in the course of a single conversation. Thus, "Elementary...my dear Watson," would be a more accurate if also awkward quotation. It is legitimate to infer that Holmes would have said, "Elementary, my dear Watson," at some stage during his career. It is also valid for authors of sequels and new instalments to put that phrase into his mouth. This is certainly a valid exchange between Powell and Donovan. Anderson writes Asimov's characters mimicking Doyle's characters.

Friday, 8 July 2016

Problem And Solution

See:

Plato's Cave,
Mermaids And Larry Rance II,
SOS II-III,
The Makeshift Rocket: Conclusion and
Ramble With A Gamblin' Man II.

There are several other examples that might be found by a careful search of the blog although not at 03.00 AM. In each of these posts, I draw attention to a particular Andersonian story-telling technique:

the competent hero has a practical problem;
his body stiffens and/or he breaks off in mid-sentence as he suddenly realizes the solution;
however, he articulates the solution neither to his companion(s) nor to the reader;
instead, he sets out to implement the solution and we learn what it is when it has worked;
this is usually a satisfactory conclusion to the story.

Do we realize what the solution is before we are told it? I don't.

The Broken Sword presents a slight variation on this formula:

the gods have given the elves a broken sword that will help them when they need it;
the elves are being overrun and defeated by the trolls;
Skafloc Elven-Fosterling, hiding from the trolls, remembers...;
Freda feels him stiffen and tremble...

He does mention the sword so, to that extent at least, he does not conceal the nature of the solution. Nevertheless, he must now recover the sword from an elven castle occupied by trolls and must then transport this broken weapon to the giant who can reforge it. This will be a Quest - and also a solution.

Wednesday, 10 May 2023

Anderson In Asimov's Future History

Poul Anderson, "Plato's Cave" IN Martin H. Greenberg (Ed.), Foundation's Friends: Stories in Honour of Isaac Asimov (London, 1991), pp. 239-277.

Poul Anderson creates a story set against an already established background:

A shortwave message relayed by a communications satellite to a groundside clearing station is received at the global HQ of the United States Robots and Mechanical Men Corporation (an Asimovian organization);

the message is seen and heard by a young technician, Henry Matsumoto (a new character);

Matsumoto calls Philip Hillkowitz, technological chief of Project Io (a new character and a new project);

Hillkowitz calls Albert Lanning, US Robots general director of research (an Asimovian character);

Lanning contacts robopsychologist, Dr Susan Calvin (an Asimovian character);

Calvin decides whether they need their best field operatives, Gregory Powell and Michael Donovan (Asimovian characters);

Powell and Donovan are transported to the Jovian System by courier, Svend Borup (a new character);

Borup would like to see Stephen Byerly (an Asimovian character) become coordinator.

A good mix of old and new.

Anderson also gives us a new Io: deep within the Jovian magnetosphere, this moon traps lethal charged particles. Further, its surface is cold, airless and covered with poisonous volcanic fumes. Only heavily shielded robots can mine there.

Thursday, 11 May 2023

Leave It As You Found It

 

When one author contributes to a series created by another, he has to leave the series and its characters as he found them. Thus, in "Plato's Cave," Poul Anderson borrows Isaac Asimov's characters, Gregory Powell and Michael Donovan, gives them a robotic problem to solve and has them solve it. The solution is based on an understanding of how a positronic robot will have to respond according to the Three Laws of Robotics. Meanwhile, a supporting character hopes that Stephen Byerly will become coordinator. Indeed. When the story is completed, Asimov's future history flows on as before. Powell and Donovan will continue to work for US Robots. Byerly will eventually become coordinator. Other events will occur that are of no concern here. It is an intellectual exercise to fit an episode into a particular point in an already established timeline but Anderson cannot create any pivotal turning point in that timeline.

He sometimes performed this same exercise with his own future history series. Thus, "How To Be Ethnic In One Easy Lesson," fills in a detail about Adzel's student days on on Earth. "Wingless" and "Rescue on Avalon" contribute details about the colonization of Avalon, thus immeasurably enriching the Technic History.

Saturday, 26 September 2015

WAS THE DOMINATION INSPIRED BY MERSEIA? by Sean M. Brooks

I have wondered how S.M. Stirling was inspired to write his four Draka books (MARCHING THROUGH GEORGIA, UNDER THE YOKE, THE STONE DOGS, and DRAKON).  One source to investigate is what Stirling himself said, such as the Introduction he wrote for DRAKAS! (a collection of short stories featuring the Drakas he had consented to other authors writing).  This is what Stirling wrote on page 2 of  DRAKAS! (Baen Books, 2000): "So a thought came to me, suppose everything had turned out as badly as possible, these last few centuries.  Great change make possible great good and great evil. The outpouring of the Europeans produced plenty of both."

I agree that Mr. Stirling's Draka books are dystopian alternate history science fiction, based on the premise of everything turning out as badly as possible.  BUT, what if, unbeknownst to Stirling, he had also been influenced in shaping the basic premises of the Draka stories by Poul Anderson's Technic Civilization stories?  Assume a small group of people with ideas similar to those of the Draka had left a hostile Terra soon after a FTL drive was invented to settle a planet deep in what became the dominions of Merseia in Anderson's Technic stories.

There actually was a human ethnic group within the Terran Empire whose ideas might have developed along the lines taken by the Draka if circumstances had been different!  I refer to the Zacharians, whom we see in THE GAME OF EMPIRE.  Matthew Zachary and Yukiko Nomura, the founders of the Zacharians, lived around the time when a FTL drive had been invented and mankind was beginning to leave the Solar System.  Their desire was to use genetic science to create an improved form of humanity which would provide the leaders of the human race.  To quote Kukulkan Zachary, from Chapter 17 of THE GAME OF EMPIRE: " ' Travel beyond the Solar System was just beginning.  Matthew Zachary saw what an unimaginably great challenge it cast at humankind, peril as well as promise, hardihood required for hope, adaptability essential but not at the cost of integrity.  A geneticist, he set himself the goal of creating a man that could cope with the infinite strangeness it would find.  Yes, machines were necessary, but they were not sufficient.  People must go into the deeps too, if the whole human adventure was not to end in whimpering pointlessness.  And go they would.  It was in the nature of the species. Matthew Zachary wanted to provide them with the best possible leaders.' "

All too predictably, the appearance of the genetically modified Zacharians aroused suspicions of them wishing to become a master race tyrannizing over mankind.  It caused the Zacharians to be alternately shunned or persecuted (with Kukulkan Zachary admitting the Zacharians MIGHT have become such a caste in the right circumstances).  It ended with the Zacharians settling the island they called Zacharia, on the planet Daedalus, orbiting the star named Patricius.  By the time the Terran Empire arose and restored order after the Time of Troubles, the Zacharians had become merely one more ethnicity in an Empire containing thousands of them.  Their resentment at this eventually led them to become traitors, co-conspiring with Merseia to place its agent Olaf Magnusson on the throne as a puppet Emperor.  Kukulkan Zachary tried to justify this in Chapter 20 of THE GAME OF EMPIRE by saying: " ' We owe the Terran Empire nothing.  It dragooned our forebears into itself.  It has spurned our leadership, the vision that animated the Founders.  It will only allow us to remain ourselves on this single patch of land, afar in its marches.  Here we dwell like Plato's man in chains, seeing only shadows on the wall of our cave, shadows cast by the living universe.  The Merseians have no cause to fear or shun us.  Rather, they will welcome us as their intermediaries with the human commonality.  They will grant us the same boundless freedom they desire for themselves.' "

Oh, the irony!  From aspiring to becoming the leaders of mankind, leaders who MIGHT have become like the Draka, the Zacharians eventually decided they would settle for becoming Quislings governing mankind under Merseian supervision.  And I disagree with Kukulkan Zachary--nothing prevented Zacharians from either enlisting in the Imperial armed forces or entering the Civil Service.  Being able and intelligent, many would rise to be among the leaders of the Empire.  But that would have meant adopting the preferred view of the Empire taken by both the other humans and non-humans within its domains, of becoming ASSIMILATED by the Empire, and renouncing the dream of ZACHARIANS being the leaders of mankind.

I wish to examine what we know of the ideology of racial supremacy which dominated Merseia in the days of the Terran Empire, to see how closely it resembled the beliefs of the Draka.  A few quotes from Chapter XIV of A CIRCUS OF HELLS will help: "They [the Merseians] didn't want war with Terra, they only saw the Empire as a bloated sick monstrosity which had long outlived its usefulness but with senile cunning contrived to hinder and threaten THEM..."  And: "No, they did not dream of conquering the galaxy, that was absurd on the face of it, they simply wanted freedom to range and rule without bound, and "rule" did not mean tyranny over others, it meant just that others should not stand in the way of the full outfolding of that spirit which lay in the Race..."

I did not believe a word of this!  As the Merseians expanded into the galaxy they contacted other intelligent races with as much right to exist as theirs.  Yet their reaction was to scorn them as beings inferior to them, and to dominate them because they were not Merseians.

In Chapter XIII of A CIRCUS OF HELLS we see some of Dominic Flandry's reflections about the Merseians and the beliefs driving them: "You gatortails get a lot of dynamism out of taking for granted you're the natural future lords of the galaxy," the man thought, "but your attitude has its disadvantages.  Not that you deliberately antagonize any other races, provided they give you no trouble.  But you don't use their talents as fully as you might.  Ydwr seems to understand this.  He mentioned that I would be valuable as a non-Merseian--which suggests he'd like to have team members from among the Roidhunate's client species--but I imagine he had woes enough pushing his project through a reluctant government, without bucking attitudes so ingrained that the typical Merseian isn't even conscious of them." 

The points I wish to stress about this otherwise out of context quote are these: Merseian belief in their superiority and destiny as rulers of the galaxy, their at best condescending attitude toward non-Merseians, a hint of how ruthless the Merseians could be to any who opposed them, etc.

The human ruled Terran Empire was Merseia's greatest and most powerful rival among oxygen breathing races.  How did at least some Merseian leaders regard humans and how would they treat humans?  An answer to these questions can be found in Chapter 10 of ENSIGN FLANDRY.  Brechdan Ironrede, Protector of the Roidhun's Grand Council, said of the human race: " ' They were magnificent once.  They could be again.  I would love to see them our willing subjects.'  His scarred features drooped a little. ' Unlikely, of course.  They're not that kind of species.  We may be forced to exterminate.' "  Note the casually chilling acceptance of the idea of exterminating an entire intelligent race.  And, by extension, all other non-Merseian races who dared to resist Merseian domination.

In ENSIGN FLANDRY we see one Merseian who did not believe in the evil ideology of racial supremacy and felt betrayed by his own leaders.  As Dwyr the Hook said in Chapter 12: " ' What was the conquest of Janair to me? They spoke of the glory of the race.  I saw nothing except that other race, crushed, burned, enslaved as we advanced.  I would have fought for my liberty as they did for theirs.' "  Dwyr concluded; " ' Do not misunderstand.  I stayed loyal to my Roidhun and my people.  It was they who betrayed me.' "  Dwyr thought like that because he had discovered how badly his own superiors had lied to him as regards being healed of severe war injuries.

To see how humans inside the Empire reacted to Merseians claiming their race was superior to all others I'll quote from Chapter XII of A KNIGHT OF GHOSTS AND SHADOWS what Bodin Miyatovich, Gospodar of Dennitza and governor of the Taurian sector said: " ' The Empire would have to get so bad that chaos was better, before I'd willingly break it.  Terra, the Troubles, or the tyranny of Merseia--and those racists wouldn't just subject us, they'd tame us--I don't believe we have a fourth choice, and I'll pick Terra.' " Here we see Merseian rule considered so harsh it amounted to treating non-Merseians as mere animals.

I have reviewed Merseian ideas of racial superiority and how both humans and non-humans reacted to them.  What was the political form desired for giving Merseian ambitions a practical shape?  In Chapter 9 of ENSIGN FLANDRY Lord Hauksberg remarked that the electors from the landed clans chose the Roidhun from the landless Vach, the Urdiolch, dismissing that, however, as an unimportant detail.  Commander Max Abrams disagreed, saying: " ' It's not a detail.  It reflects their whole concept of society.  What they have in mind for their far future is a set of autonomous Merseian ruled regions.  The race, not the nation, counts with them.  Which makes them a hell of a lot more dangerous than simple imperialists like us, who only want to be top dogs and admit other species have an equal right to exist.  Anyway, so I think on the basis of what information is available. While on Merseia I hope to read a lot of their philosophers.' "

 I'm grateful how Dr. Paul Shackley's commentary on Stirling's DRAKON (Baen Books: 1996) brought to my attention certain passages in Chapter 14 of that book which strengthens my argument.  After becoming aware of Samothracian advances in science, the New Race Draka had discovered there was a faster means of reaching the stars.  A few quotes from a discussion held by the Archon and the Directors of his cabinet will show how Draka ambitions resembled those of the Merseian Roidhunate.  On page 275 of the paperback edition of DRAKON, the Director of Colonization said, "We anticipated thousands of millennia to bring the Galaxy under the Domination of the Race.  This will reduce the timescale by orders of magnitude." Another Director responded saying, "Something that the Archons of the colony worlds may not be entirely happy about."  Because the Draka colonies were completely independent of the Domination on Earth, they might fear the Domination would try to rule them.  Archon Alexis Renston replied: "Needs must--and they will need us to defend against the Samothracians.  For that matter, even with better communications, interstellar government will never be very tightly centralized."

What I quoted above fits in neatly with what Brechdan Ironrede said to his son in Chapter 3 of ENSIGN FLANDRY: "But we cannot merely fight for our goal.  We must work.  We must have patience.  You will not see us masters of the galaxy.  It is too big.  We may need a million years."  And, to repeat what Commander Abrams said in Chapter 9 of the same book: "What they have in mind for their far future is a set of autonomous Merseian-ruled regions.  The race, not the nation, counts with them."  Both the Draka and the Merseians thought it would take their races many thousands of years, even a million years, to conquer the galaxy.  And neither proposed to attempt setting up a galactic empire--rather, regions and planets would be ruled by autonomous Draka and Merseian states.

I previously mentioned Merseian philosophers--which reminded me of what S.M. Stirling's character, William Dreiser, had done on page 64 of MARCHING THROUGH GEORGIA (Baen Books: 1988): "He had done his homework thoroughly: histories, geographies, statistics.  And the Draka basics, Carlyle's PHILOSOPHY OF MASTERY, Nietzsche's THE WILL TO POWER, Fitzhugh's IMPERIAL DESTINY, even Gobineau's turgid INEQUALITY OF HUMAN RACES, and the eerie and chilling MEDITATIONS OF ELVIRA NALDORSSEN." It's disturbing to think there might be Merseian analogs of Draka philosophers like Naldorssen.  I can think of one possibly modifying factor: the Merseians belief in "the God" MIGHT soften the ruthless logic of their racist ideology.

To give a more adequate idea of what the Draka and their ambitions were like I'll quote from Stirling's fictional Draka philosopher Elvira Naldorssen's MEDITATIONS: COLDER THAN THE MOON (possibly the same invented book as the one mentioned in the previous paragraph), from page 230 of Stirling's MARCHING THROUGH GEORGIA: "The Draka will conquer the world for two reasons: because we must, and because we can. Yet of the two forces, the second is the greater; we do this because we choose to do it.  By the sovereign Will and force of arms the Draka will rule the earth, and in so doing remake themselves.  We shall conquer: we shall beat the nations into dust and re-forge them in our self-wrought image: the Final Society, a new humanity without weakness or mercy, hard and pure.  Our descendants will walk the hillsides of that future, innocent beneath the stars, with no more between them and their naked will than a wolf has.  Then there will be Gods in the earth."

In conclusion it will help if I listed the ways Merseia resembled the Domination of the Draka:
1. Racial superiority of Merseians over all non-Meseians.
2. Inferior status, within the Roidhunate, of all non-Merseian races.
3. Willingness to exterminate entire races.
4. Enslaving of conquered non-Merseians.

In Poul Anderson's Terran Empire stories the focus was on the decline of the Empire and the urgent need to defend it, to prevent civilization from falling, not primarily on Merseia (except as the enemy of the Empire). Still, I believe I have collected enough evidence to show that the Roidhunate was a nasty place for non-Merseians.  I regret how Poul Anderson never thought of writing a few stories set entirely inside the Roidhunate, showing us the views of both Merseians and non-Merseians.  If he had, and if based on the evidence I collected, Merseia would strongly resemble a non-human Domination of the Draka, on an interstellar scale.

S.M. Stirling is a known fan and admirer of the works of Poul Anderson. I think it was at least possible that, besides experimenting with writing dystopian science fiction, unconscious reflection on Merseia's racism and its consequences was a factor shaping how Stirling developed the Draka.  To say, nothing, of course, of how the Zacharians might have contributed to this process.