Wednesday, 16 September 2026
POVs In Anderson And Larsson
Monday, 31 August 2026
More About POV's
Orbit Unlimited, part four.
("pov" = point of view.)
I said before that Svoboda remains the viewpoint character in section 5. Careful reading confirms this. A single sentence:
"Svoboda was glad to oblige." (p. 126)
- is ambiguous. It could mean either that Svoboda felt glad (Svoboda's pov) or that he was visibly glad and obliging as observed by his companion (Coffin's pov). However, the immediately preceding sentence is:
"Coffin seemed eager to talk impersonally." (ibid.)
Here we are not told directly what Coffin wanted (Coffin's pov) but what he seemed (to someone else) to want (Svoboda's pov). And this confirms that "Svoboda was glad..." is also Svoboda's pov.
A friend who reads a lot of fiction told me that he never notices points of view but surely he must be aware of them without realizing that he is?
All of this matters. When two people, A and B, disagree and argue about what happened during an incident at which both were present, they can be insufficiently aware of the distinctions between (i) A's pov, (ii) B's pov and (iii) the total event which is more complex than either person's perceptions. Communication can fail completely. How often does this happen?
Monday, 13 July 2026
A Well-Controlled POV
The Winds Of Fate, CHAPTER THIRTEEN, pp. 173-202.
This long chapter opens:
"Galenos looked around the dinner table..." (p. 173)
At least for the time being, Galen is the pov character. The dinner conversation and Galen's thoughts impart information to the reader rather than advance the plot.
Near the top of p. 185:
"...Galenos thought."
He is still, consistently, the pov character. With dinner concluded and with those who do not "need to know" having withdrawn, Galen begins to convey a message from the Emperor to the three Americans who are present and to their single other confidante on the most important matter (time travel), Josephus. There is a double space between paragraphs...
After the space and with the message delivered, the leading American, Artorius/Arthur, not only slams his fist down but also sees that Galen is observing their reactions. Thus, the pov has shifted from Galen to Artorius. (I notice all this because I am a pov cop.)
The narrative must shift from imparting general information to delineating how the Americans respond to the devastating news that they are not the only time travellers in 170 CE and that is more than I can cope with this evening. Sorry to build up to a climax, then trickle to bed.
Saturday, 13 June 2026
Old Phoenix POV's
Tuesday, 3 March 2026
Sean's, Trevelyan's And Joachim's POV's
The Peregrine, CHAPTER XIII.
First, we must correct an error. I stated in:
- that, in CHAPTER XIII, the narrative point of view shifts from Sean to Trevelyan, then stays with Trevelyan until the end of this chapter. It does not.
"The hyperdrive went off. Joachim must have signaled for that." (p. 115)
Trevelyan, and Nicki with him, know that Joachim must have signaled for the hyperdrive to go off. Trevelyan sees stars, sees Nicki and remembers Job 38:12. So far then, the narrative is still with Trevelyan's pov.
However, after what should really have been a double space between paragraphs, Joachim becomes our acting character. He looks out at space, asks where they are and engages in conversation with Ferenczi. When Ferenczi tells him to look through a port, Joachim sees a nearby red star and:
"Its luster hurt his eyes." (p. 116)
The pov has shifted to Joachim with whom it then remains. Indeed:
"He saw Trevelyan and Nicki by one of the ports. They were looking at each other, eyes into eyes, hands clasped. Briefly, Joachim smiled. Whatever happened, life went on." (p. 117)
Far from remaining the narrative viewpoint character, Trevelyan has become an object of Joachim's amused observation. "...Joachim smiled..." could have been observed by someone else. However, "Whatever happened, life went on," is Joachim's inner reflection which can only be recounted from his pov.
If there are four characters on a spaceship bridge, then five coherent narratives become possible:
an entirely objective account of the ship's motion through hyperspace, then through the trepidation vortex;
how Joachim experiences all this;
how Ferenczi experiences all this (in fact, in this case, we are not told any of Ferenczi's experiences);
how Trevelyan experiences all this;
how Nicki experiences all this;
(and so on if there are more characters.)
An account that jumps between povs does not present any of these parallel narratives.
Monday, 2 March 2026
Consciousness And A Vortex
The Peregrine, CHAPTER XIII.
The narrative point of view had shifted from Trevelyan in CHAPTER XII to Sean in CHAPTER XIII but now, still within XIII, shifts back to Trevelyan as he:
"...willed the pain out of his consciousness." (p. 113)
The pov stays with Trevelyan as he and Nicki:
"...saw a wreck of tangled branches, splintered trunks, and tumbled bodies." (ibid.)
- and Trevelyan himself thinks that the Nomads are meeting this devastation well.
The pov remains with Trevelyan for the rest of XIII. (Addendum: No. See here.)
How does reality, which before the evolution of central nervous systems was entirely objective, become divided into an objective realm and an indefinite number of individual subjectivities, yours, mine and everyone else's? This is the central question of philosophy and the point of intersection between philosophy and fiction.
The trepidation vortex brings the Peregrine to where it had wanted to go. How did that happen? Were the Alori able to bring it about? I cannot remember from previous readings but now I am about to return to an Inspector Morse novel before turning in.
Great Cosmos.
Points Of View And Perspectives
The Peregrine.
Pages of dialogue can pass without specifying a point of view. Then suddenly there is one:
"Trevelyan heard the amplified voice..." (CHAPTER XII, p. 108)
The pov can change between discrete narrative passages within a chapter or just between chapters:
"...Sean saw an uprooted tree falling..." (CHAPTER XIII, p. 111)
Futuristic sf can comment on the past and the present, e.g.:
"In the day of great cities, men had been caged in the stony, glassy mountains of their creation, and it was not strange that so many of them had retreated into madness." (CHAPTER XII, p. 103)
That's us.
There are other powerful examples. I have quoted Watchmen, an alternative history by Alan Moore. One of its protagonists thinks that the US would have gone mad as a nation if it had lost in Vietnam... Poul Anderson's "Eutopia" presents a bleak outsider's view of our timeline.
After mentioning cities, The Peregrine proceeds to ask:
"What then of humanity locked in a shell of metal and raw energy, between the stars?" (ibid.)
The later story, "The Saturn Game," which became the earliest instalment of the Technic History, addresses this question.
The Peregrine has a large park with an outside view.
Various POV's
The Peregrine, CHAPTER XI.
"[Trevelyan] noticed that weeping didn't disfigure [Ilaloa] as it does a human." (p. 99)
That is a good characteristic for a humanoid species.
Only a few lines later:
"Looking on the warmth of [Trevelyan's] face, Nicki wondered how much of it was acting." (ibid.)
POV switch: in the course of a single passage, the narrative point of view has switched from Trevelyan to Nicki. Shouldn't really happen - some of us think.
Over the page but still in the same narrative passage:
"The hypnotism didn't take long. Ilaloa went under fast. Sean winced at the violence of her re-enactment, but the peace that followed was worth it." (p. 100)
Are we being informed not that Trevelyan and/or Nicki noticed Sean's wince but that he felt it and then thought that the peace was worth it? If the latter, then the POV has shifted again, this time to Sean.
Meanwhile, Ilaloa is misleading her companions. She pretends to have heard an alien thought in order to direct them towards a particular region of space where her people wait.
Before the hypnosis, Ilaloa tells Trevelyan that she has no words to describe how a received thought felt if he has never felt them. Why not? We all directly experience our own thoughts so, if we suddenly detected someone else's, then we ought to be able to say something about it. Indeed, Trevelyan makes an attempt. He makes four points:
"'It comes all at once...'" (p. 99);
there is "A main thread..." (ibid.);
there are also what he calls sidelines, overtones, hints, whispers and glimpses;
"'...it's always changing.'" (ibid.)
Does that sound like thought? Ilaloa accepts the description. But she then describes a thought of some fictional species other than her own. The Nomads and their Coordinator ally are being misled.
Wednesday, 7 January 2026
Rolling, Trotting, Barking, Growling, Complaining, Bellowing Etc
We have become sensitized to physical descriptions of Nicholas van Rijn. I neglected, in Grand Entrance, to quote that he was said to "roll" (p. 57) into Joyce Davisson's room. (Try to picture that in a literal sense.) When they hurry along a corridor, his:
"...ponderous jog trot made a small earthquake..." (p. 58)
He barks and growls in "A hoarse basso..." (p. 57) His tones are "...gravelly..." (p. 59) He proves that he is a man of action when that is what is called for. When arrows fly, he throws himself across Joyce and his:
"...well-worn personal blaster..." (ibid.)
-dispatches an attacking t'Kelan.
We have been reading Joyce's point of view (pov) but suddenly she is stunned so we read an objective account of van Rijn carrying her and complaining before she regains consciousness and we return to her pov. When a door is locked against them, he pounds and bellows. We would feel confident with him on our side.
This is the kind of sf that I read in comic strips in childhood. Human beings are on another planet and the natives attack. Life is simple, death even simpler.
Friday, 21 November 2025
Ermanaric And Niaerdh
Ermanaric's pov (point of view) ends as he hears thunder between cutting his throat and losing consciousness. This is historically possible, even plausible.
Turning the page, we read the pov of a goddess who roams among the sea creatures that she has made and often rises early to watch over her sea with the morning star on her brow. Impossible. Think about it. Earth and Venus are not planets. Instead, an immense female form rises above the horizon of a flat Earth with what appears to the dwellers on the Earth as the morning star on her forehead.
In the case of Ermanaric, Poul Anderson writes historical fiction. In the case of Niaerdh, he imaginatively reproduces an earlier stage of Northern European mythology. Thus, in the overall context of this particular narrative, we are not supposed to accept the goddess as real. And yet, within the context of this opening passage of "Star of the Sea," we can enter into that polytheist world-view and imagine what it would be like for a goddess to survey her sea. The opening passage can be read as a fantasy short story embedded within the historical science fiction of a Time Patrol instalment. Fiction invites us to enter the points of view of its characters even if those characters are impossible according to a scientific world view. So let us imagine the world as seen by Niaerdh.
Points Of View
I think that I have always been aware of povs and probably all readers are even if they think that they are not. Kevin, whom I meet once a month in the Gregson Centre, and I had both read a Hornblower novel. I drew attention to a pov shift and he said that he would not have noticed such a thing. But he would surely have been aware of povs at least while reading. A French guy was reading Dune in translation. I remarked that Frank Herbert's prose has no consistent point of view. The French guy replied, "I have read it!," meaning that he had noticed Herbert's pov inconsistency.
In Volume II of Stieg Larsson's Millennium Trilogy, while Blomkvist and Bjork converse, we are told that:
one first person viewpoint character;
an imaginary observer;
a first person narrator of other passages in the novel;
an omniscient narrator of yet other passages in the novel.
(2) CS Lewis, That Hideous Strength IN The Cosmic Trilogy, London, 1990, pp. 349-753 AT p. 359.
(3) ibid., p. 719.
(4) ibid., p. 395.
(5) ibid., p. 578.
(6) Out Of The Silent Planet, p. 136.
(7) ibid., p. 139.
(8) CS Lewis, "The Dark Tower" IN The Dark Tower and other stories, London, 1983. pp. 17-91 AT pp. 17, 22, 29, 39.
| -copied from here. |
Monday, 17 November 2025
Everard's Roles
Manse Everard does not show up until the fourth narrative section headed 1980.
Five Time Patrol instalments set earlier in Everard's career are narrated in the third person and from his point of view (pov). Another, "Gibraltar Falls," is narrated in the third person and from Tom Nomura's pov, thus briefly presenting Nomura's perception of Everard. In 1980, we read Carl Farness' first person account of how he, Farness, perceives Everard. Farness tells us that this experienced Unattached agent of the Patrol is large, tough-looking, powerful and comfortable. "The Year of the Ransom" will give us a young woman's account of Everard...
In 1980, Farness explains his mission among the Goths to Everard and thus to us so Everard performs a narrative function. Then Farness settles down to work. The fifth narrative section is headed 300-302. We begin to travel by the slow route back to that crucial year, 372, which had opened the story.
Saturday, 25 October 2025
POVs In THE SHIELD...
PART TWO is about Everard in Bactra in 209 BC but each chapter about him there/then is preceded by a chapter about an "earlier" event elsewhere/when. Two such chapters recount conversations between Everard and Wanda, in 1987 AD and 1988 AD, respectively. When Wanda telephones to change a dinner date, Everard time travels to the changed date.
PART FOUR is about Wanda in Beringia in 13,212 BC. Two chapters recount conversations with Everard in 1990. The first is narrated from Everard's pov. The second, which is the concluding chapter of PART FOUR, seems to be entirely objective narration unless it is slightly Wanda's pov. She is awed, she wonders and she hugs herself as if in a glacier wind. (The wind, yet again.)
PART SIX is equally about both characters with strong input from Keith Denison whom we saw before in "Brave To Be A King."
This second post of today might also be the last. I am feeling unaccountably tired and am also drawn back to other reading - which often has resonances. Earlier, I set off to walk across town to meditate in a side chapel of the Cathedral but was diverted to a massive and impressive exhibition on Islam in the Town Hall. Lancaster manifests its diversity yet again. Other members of my family were at the ballet at the Grand Theatre. It's all happening and all that.
Friday, 8 August 2025
RED NAILS
Thursday, 24 July 2025
Conan And Many Others
Conan The Rebel.
Poul Anderson clearly did not want to write just about Conan or from Conan's pov.
In Chapter I, Tothapis converses with Set who gives Tothapis a remote viewing of a conversation between Conan and Belit. Mitra detects and interrupts Set but remains off-stage.
In II, Tothapis converses with Ramwas and Nehekba and gives them a remote viewing of Jehenan and his guards.
In III, Belit tells Conan about Hoiakim, Shaaphi, Jehanan, Aliel, Kedron, Ramwas and three men that she killed. We read not only her dialogue but also some flashbacks.
In IV, Shuat converses with his adjutant, then Ausar addresses his men and converses with his daughter, Daris.
I have not reread any further yet. Clearly, Conan is one of a large cast of characters. There are XX chapters and I am probably going to reread Larry Niven or someone else for the rest of this evening.
Saturday, 28 June 2025
POV Cop
Vault Of The Ages, Chapter 4.
Six Lann pursue three Dalesmen at night, both parties on horseback. This passage is definitely narrated from the point of view (pov) of the leading Dalesman, Carl. A metal object is:
"...cold in his hand..." (p. 46)
When he has used an ancient, hand-cranked flashlight to make the superstitious Lann flee:
"Carl sat for a minute, not daring to believe..." (p. 47)
However, during the pursuit, we are informed that:
"Owl's horse stumbled on a root and went rolling." (p. 46)
This information about the cause of the stumble is directly imparted by the omniscient narrator to his readers. Carl cannot have seen the horse's hoof hit a root. At most, he sees or hears the stumble and infers its cause. So a narrative entirely confined to Carl's pov might have included the sentence:
"Owl's horse stumbled, maybe on a root, and went rolling."
Most readers perhaps neither notice nor care whether a narrative steps outside its pov but I have been sensitized to such issues by years of reading and rereading a writer as careful and methodical as Poul Anderson whose texts always repay close analysis.
Saturday, 24 May 2025
Banner's And Yewwl's POVs
A Stone In Heaven, XI.
pp. 155-156 are narrated from Banner's pov. When Huang switches off the multi-sensory link, she stares at his face, hears him speak and knows that he regrets interrupting her contact with Yewwl. She cannot see well through tears caused by what is happening to Yewwl. She thinks in the first person in italics, remembers Dominic's warning and runs to escape although running away from Yewwl is the hardest thing that she has ever done and hurts more than her father's death. This passages is entirely about Banner's inner feelings. We are told that Huang is bemused but not what he thinks or feels.
pp. 156-158 are narrated from Yewwl's pov:
"From somewhere down inside herself, Yewwl found speech." (p. 156)
Her companions:
"...saw that her fate was upon her, and departed." (p. 157)
We are told what they saw but this is not their pov. Their perception of Yewwl's fate is sufficiently expressed by their departure.
"It boomed around Yewwl." (ibid.)
This is her experience.
Her vanes thrill. Her muscles rejoice. Her blood throbs and glows in the chill. She will make sure that the pilot of a descending flyer sees her. Knowing that she has been torn open, she sees the aircraft and takes aim. Her last strength is used to aim herself at the water where the craft has fallen.
"Oath-sister, farewell." (p. 158)
That is the end of Yewwl's pov.
Friday, 23 May 2025
Anglic Gibberish
A Stone In Heaven, X.
I had thought that the following passage was in Yewwl's pov in Chapter XI but it is near the end of X so we have to backtrack.
While speaking to Yewwl inaudibly to anyone else, Banner concludes:
"'The bureaucratic mentality.' That last bit was in Anglic, and gibberish to Yewwl." (p. 141)
It would indeed be gibberish. Someone that I met at College thought that even cave-dwellers must have had what he called "their bureaucracy." He could not conceive of a society in which people lived straightforwardly without some behind-the-scenes controllers or manipulators pulling their strings. But these controllers would be crats without bureaus.
But my main point here is that "bureaucratic," an idea outside of Yewwl's conceptual framework expressed of necessity in a language that she does not know, should sound to her like a meaningless noise. She should not be able to discern the four syllables in it. Thus, the text has momentarily stepped outside of Yewwl's pov. A narrator who shares our knowledge and understanding of bureaucracy informs us that this is what Banner is talking about even though Yewwl does not understand it. Of course, usually we do not pause to reflect on such details.
Yewwl's POV
A Stone In Heaven, XI.
pp. 144-155 are narrated from Yewwl's pov.
"Yewwl sensed..." (p. 144)
We are told not that she seemed to suppress anger or that she was seen to suppress it but simply that she did suppress it and also why she did this. She was prepared to die to avenge her family but had also worked off most of the grief and was finding reasons to live. These statements are made directly about her inner states, not inferred from her behaviour by anyone else.
"She saw advantages..." (p. 145)
Yewwl's son, Skogda:
"...radiated impatience." (p. 146)
We are told not that he was impatient or felt impatience but only that his body language conveyed impatience to his mother. The pov remains hers, not his.
Yewwl deflects a question from Skogda because:
"She needed silence in which to think, to sort out everything that was bursting upon her." (p. 148)
That she needed silence to think might have been inferable by her companions but that many things are bursting upon her is definitely a subjective statement.
"Yewwl decided." (ibid.)
A third party might have inferred her decision-making from the way that she responds. However, we are immediately told the reason for her decision:
"She had thin choice, anyhow." (ibid.)
This is what she is thinking.
Incidentally, when she replies that one group of star-folk might be preparing to attack another, one of her companions is appalled:
"'Attack!'...'All of them together, like a pack of lopers?'" (p. 149)
What we call "war," a Ramnuan compares to an assault by a pack of wolf-equivalents.
"Fear walked the length of Yewwl's spine." (p. 150)
She might be visibly afraid but only she feels fear as a sensation up her spine.
"She looked around her with eyes that a sense of time blowing past had widened." (p. 151)
She senses time which is again compared to wind, "blowing past..."
She sees a few stars, which she remembers that Banner has told her are suns, and reflects how remote they are.
Through the multi-sensory link, Banner and Yewwl communicate inaudibly to anyone else. Banner uses the words, "'...Fissionable...' '...fission...' and '...warheads...'" (p. 152) We are told that these words are incomprehensible to Yewwl so maybe we should not be told what the words are? Yewwl would not be able to discern the syllables of incomprehensible words. We are in her pov so we should be told only that she heard something that she did not understand.
"A sick feeling swept through her." (p. 153)
A purely subjective statement!
We read her italicized thoughts at the bottom of p. 153 and again on p. 155.
A kind of miscommunication that I have experienced more than once, although not in similar circumstances, occurs. Yewwl tells Skogda that their guide/guard is:
"'...sending for people to take us prisoner -'" (p. 154)
She intends immediately to explain that surrender is advisable but it is too late. Informed of imminent arrest, Skogda instantly attacks although she sees his almost simultaneous regret.
No Peace In Flandry
A Stone In Heaven, XI.
pp. 141-143 are narrated exclusively from Dominic Flandry's pov (point of view), e.g.:
"There was no peace in Flandry." (p. 141)
Walking aft, he feels every step and how he must strain to remain erect.
Three italicized passages convey his inner thoughts:
"Can't get drunk..." (p. 142)
"...getting moral, am I?" (p. 143)
"I sometimes think..." (ibid.)
When we are told that lines were drawn in his face and that his fingers moved while he piloted, these observations could have been made by a third party. However, the quoted passages make it clear that here is Flandry's pov and no one else's.
Here, in my opinion, is the central question both for an author of prose fiction and for a philosopher. Novelists have learned that, usually at least, they should recount either an entire story, or at least each discrete narrative passage of a story, as its successive events are experienced by a single character, in this case Flandry, not Chives, although both are present in the spaceship, Hooligan. (Incidentally, we never do read Chives' pov except when he recounts his experiences to another character.)
And this is what puzzles a philosopher. A physicist would be able to present an objective account of every event that occurs inside Hooligan, including the motions of living bodies: the male human being's legs move as he walks aft etc. However, subjectively, there is something that it is like to be Flandry. Only he directly experiences his peacelessness. Only he feels his steps and the strain that he is under. Only he directly experiences those thoughts about his need to remain sober etc. We understand Anderson's account of Flandry's experiences because we know what it is like for us ourselves to lack peace, to feel our steps, to feel stress and to reflect on our situation. But, nevertheless, each of us directly experiences only our own stress etc, not anyone else's. In Hooligan, there is one objective situation but there are two subjective situations: Flandry's and Chives'. How come? How does the objective generate the subjective?