Tuesday, 16 May 2023

What Now For The Future?

Larry Niven's Known Space future history series begins with four stories about the exploration of the Solar System in the last quarter of the twentieth century. Thus, although most of Known Space was written after most of Poul Anderson's Technic History, the beginning of Known Space is "earlier" than the beginning of the Technic History because the latter places interplanetary exploration in the first half of the twenty first century. Ever since Wells and Stapledon wrote in the 1930s, future histories, like other futuristic speculations, have always reflected the time in which they were written so what would a future history be like if its author began to write it in 2023?

It has been pointed out in the combox on this blog that the way to avoid a future history becoming outdated too quickly is to set its opening instalments or chapters in a further future as Anderson had done with the Technic History before he added "The Saturn Game." Anderson's culminating single-volume future history, Genesis, hurries past the near future to present longer term technological speculations. But why should a future historian want to avoid becoming outdated? As Heinlein wrote, future history is not prophecy but acknowledged fiction. Anderson made a late addition to his Psychotechnic History.

But what would a near future history series look like now? Surely the imminent ecological catastrophe would have to be incorporated? Can we even assume a resumption of space travel? I cannot get excited by the prospect of four people circumnavigating the Moon at the end of next year.

Should people keep writing novels and making films in the present climate? Novels were written during World War II, including CS Lewis' reply to Wells' and Stapledon's future histories. 

28 comments:

S.M. Stirling said...

OTOH, Microsoft has just signed a contract with Helios Energy for power from a direct-conversion fusion reactor... starting in 2028.

If -that- happens, everything becomes completely unpredictable.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul and Mr. Stirling!

Paul: I am inclined to agree, SF writers should not worry too much about their stories becoming outdated too soon. Just write them the best they can.

And * I * would be interested in that circumnavigating of the Moon next year! And wishing SpaceX ships were landing there to found a base.

Mr. Stirling: Now THAT interests me, Microsoft and Helios Energy contracting to, I assume, build a direct-conversion fusion reactor. If it succeeds, as I hope it does, I can forgive Bill Gates for dabbling in left wing woke bull twaddle!

Ad astra! Sean

Jim Baerg said...

Even if no fusion reactor turns out to be practical, several versions of fission could do what is needed to replace most fossil fuel use.
Eg: https://www.terrapower.com/our-work/natriumpower/

I regard the people who made careers out of opposing nuclear fission power as the great villains of the whole global warming problem.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Jim!

I would favor several different lines of developing fission/fusion nuclear power, to find out which of them works best.

Absolutely! I have only rage, scorn, and fury for the anti-nuclear Luddite crackpots!!!

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

More generally, the more I study human history the more I'm convinced that it's utterly contingent, and that no amount of information and intellect would enable you to predict it.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

Absolutely! And that's a big reason why I'm a conservative. I am distrustful and skeptical of all attempts at proposing dreamy, impossible, Utopian, and unrealistic schemes.

Ad astra! Sean

Jim Baerg said...

I suppose any proposed reform should include a consideration of how hard or easy it would be to reverse if it turned out to do more harm than good.

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Governments need to heed warnings from scientists but with flexible plans.

S.M. Stirling said...

Paul: politics is the art of the possible.

Eg., more than half the new CO2 annually comes from China, and the Chinese are increasing their coal production/consumption just as fast as they can, which renders anything we do sort of moot.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Jim and Paul!

Jim: My view is that of Edmund Burke, REAL reform that lasts and WORKS has to be gradual, incremental, and based on a widely accepted consensus. "Reformers" who impatiently try to sweep away all obstacles and opposition to their desires are very likely to crash into the wall of unintended consequences, with catastrophic results!

Paul: I second what Stirling said. If China alone causes 60% or more of CO2 pollution, with India chipping in another 30%, NOTHING the UK or US does matters a CUSS. Because China and India DON'T care.

Realistically, all that the US and UK can do is hunker down and focus on survival.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,

Well, that's what they have to do then. We should distinguish between what we think should happen, e.g., what India and China SHOULD do, for that matter, and what we think WILL happen and, as we keep saying, the latter is mostly unpredictable but not entirely. Wells accurately predicted the consequences of the use of aircraft in warfare.

Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

What China and India are realistically likely to do for the foreseeable future (ten or 15 years) is to keep on merrily polluting away. That, I think, is a safe guess!

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

And the Western powers must do their best to depollute, not say, "Why bother?"

S.M. Stirling said...

Paul: actually, it was more like Wells predicted the consequences of nuclear weapons. Most people -- Douhet, for example -- grossly overestimated the impact of conventional bombing prior to WWII.

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Wells has nuclear weapons in THE WORLD SET FREE. I think that THE WAR IN THE AIR shows war moving from battlefields to aerial bombardment of cities.

S.M. Stirling said...

Paul: yes it does, but it shows the bombardment causing far more destruction than bombing with conventional weapons did up until 1945.

In point of fact, until nuclear weapons bombardment of cities was not cost-effective.

In WWII it consumed far more resources than the effects warranted; with the partial exception of Japan, the same effort put into antisubmarine warfare and ground-support tactical bombers would have given us more 'bang for the buck'.

The Bomber Barons, guys like Harris and LeMay, were emotionally committed to the theories that bombing civilians could be decisive and refused to give up on it when the evidence was against them. They just kept doubling down, thinking that more planes and more explosive would do it.

There was a tremendous bun-fight over switching from strategic bombardment to wrecking the French rail net in the run-up to D-Day in 1944, for example.

That as an essential precondition for the success of the Normandy landings, but the Bomber Barons fought it tooth and nail.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

I think you still don't GET it. The rulers of China and India (and many of their peoples) DON'T CARE beans about greenie virtue signaling. They want their dirty brown coal NOW and into the future, no matter what. They are far more likely to roar with derisive laughter and scorn at the futile, pitiful "resolutions" and "demonstrations" of the greenie weenies.

And frankly, I would agree with their contempt. Because far too many so called "environmentalists" blindly and ignorantly oppose the only practical alternatives to fossil fuels IF you want a high tech society, nuclear power (whether fission or fusion) or a space based solar energy satellite system.

Compared to China and India, the Western powers pollute vastly less. Even with the more advanced and efficient use of fossils in Western nations, there is a limit to how far you can "depollute" using the cleanest forms of oil and natural gas. If you try to go past those limits, even attempt no longer using any fossils at all, you WILL get economic crashes, political and social upheavals and chaos, etc. Meaning the "depolluting" you hope for is NOT going to happen, absent a decisive switchover to nuclear energy.

So, yes, sometimes it's better to do nothing than to attempt implementing futile, unrealistic, counterproductive, impossible "solutions."

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,

I feel we are at permanent cross purposes. I have not said that the rulers of India or China will get the green message. They have to be overthrown. I am not saying that that is likely, just that it is necessary. The fact that the West pollutes less is nowhere near enough.

Paul.

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

If the human race keeps dividing into opposed camps which hurl abuse and contempt at each other, then there is indeed very little hope for any of us.

S.M. Stirling said...

Paul: that's equivalent to saying there's no hope for the human race if they continue to act in the way which human nature dictates, which I think is a little severe.

As I've said, one had to distinguish between problems with solutions, and conditions which can only be managed.

Competitive tribalism -- at all levels -- is a human -condition-, and it can only be managed, not 'solved'.

We are not the makers of our world or the authors of our selves: you just have to play the cards you're dealt.

Imagining that you can make a world or a self is hubris, and after hubris, nemesis -- but it's madness opens the door for nemesis.

The ancient Greeks said part of the Delphic wisdom was 'gnothi seauton'.

This is generally translated as "know yourself", but in Greek it meant something closer to "know your place" or "know your limits". It's a command to avoid hubris.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

At least we agree the current masters of China and India should be ousted.

I disagree with what you said about the West. Compared to the above mentioned nations, countries like the UK, US, Germany, France, etc., pollute vastly less. And would have been even less polluting if ignorant "environmentalists" had not hindered and stalled the developing and use of nuclear energy.

Human beings are intrinsically prone to being quarrelsome, contentious, warlike, etc. These are features, not mere bugs, and can only be managed, not eliminated.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

I do take the warnings of an imminent irreversible ecological catastrophe seriously. Thus, we could indeed be heading for oblivion.

Sean, I do not agree that anything is intrinsic in a constantly changing universe. Our genes have not changed through history but those genes allow for militarists, pacifists and everything between.

I have no fixed views either for or against nuclear energy and I am not the person that needs to be persuaded. But, if the people who do understand the science cannot agree, then all of us have a problem.

I do not agree that it is enough to compare the US etc with China and India. Everyone needs to improve. Some will. Some won't. But everyone needs to.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

My view remains that the only way to try coping with that ecological catastrophe is for the advanced nations to get SERIOUS about converting from fossils to nuclear energy. It is also my belief that many of the scientists" who oppose nuclear power do for partisan reasons. Persons I consider to be real scientists, such as Anderson himself in works like THERMONUCLEAR WARFARE , believe nuclear energy is practical, workable, desirable, as long as sensible safeguards and precautions are used.

As for the qualities characterizing human beings, Stirling and I will continue to have to disagree with you. NOTHING you dream of is borne out by real history and life.

Your last comment, about the US/China, etc., I also disagree with. You want PERFECTION, but I say we should not let BETTER become the enemy of that perfection.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,

Right now the issue is survival, not perfection. I am not who you need to convince about nuclear power but I don't think that you can call scientists that you disagree with "partisan" or not "real"! This sounds very partisan!

Nothing I dream of is borne out by real history or life? What do I "dream" of? I am looking to the future when things can be different just as they have changed in the past. Consciousness and intelligence have come into existence. IF we survive, then we can have a very long future ahead of us.

Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

As a matter of practicality it's impossible to be "perfect." Merely trying to switch from one form of technology to another CAN'T be done in anything less than years, even decades.

I admit being a partisan! I believe the things I'm partisan about are (mostly) factually correct.

Of course the future, esp. the remote future, is going to be different. But I simply don't believe human beings will no longer be prone to being quarrelsome, contentious, strife torn, etc., in that future.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,

And rival partisans believe that they are factually correct.

And I simply do believe that we can change over time.

Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

I believe some partisans are more likely to be factually correct than others! (Smiles)

We have to continue to disagree about how likely human beings will change.

Ad astra! Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,

Yes, someone will be more factually correct than anyone else but you can't say that you are and get everyone else to agree that you so what is the point of any of this?

Human beings have already changed from non-existent to existent and are differentiated as a species by the fact they change their environment with hands and brain and change themselves further in the process. The basic facts are change, not anything unchanging.

Paul.