Saturday, 10 November 2018

Van Rijn And Poirot

the canny trader van Rijn survives, prospers and profits only if he continues to understand ever new examples of alien biology and psychology and Anderson can imagine these as genuinely alien by reasoning from the basic premises of different stellar and planetary environments. Van Rijn’s deductive processes resemble Hercules Poirot’s. He works hard at thinking out new situations even while lounging and drinking beer but is physically powerful and skilled enough to handle himself in a fight with an alien warrior if necessary.
-copied from here.

Both are intelligent. One detects. The other trades.

Van Rijn speaks Anglic with malapropisms. Poirot speaks English with a trace of French.

Both are Catholic, like Fr. Brown. Van Rijn invokes St Dismas. Poirot at the end puts himself outside the Church's way to salvation by murdering a murderer. He cannot confess to a priest and must ask God directly for forgiveness.

Poirot's Last Case is on TV.

13 comments:

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

I have to disagree with Poirot, no crime, no matter how grave, is "unconfessable" to a priest. And priests have died to defend the sanctity of the seal of confession.

Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,
My point is this: Surely, if Poirot confessed to murder, the priest would withhold absolution until Poirot had turned himself in to the police? Poirot did not want to do this because he wanted Norton's death to look like suicide.
In any case, Poirot died of a heart attack shortly after shooting Norton.
Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

I agree, a confessor, in cases like this, should urge the penitent to surrender to the police. The fact Poirot died so soon makes all this rather moot. I would hope he at least died penitent.

Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,
Asking forgiveness but not thinking that he had done wrong.
Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

For the sake of argument, assuming Poirot had not done wrong here, then he would not need to be asking forgiveness, in THIS matter. I myself would disagree with him.

Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,
Of course, if he has not done wrong, then he does not need forgiveness. But how does he know what God thinks?
Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

Well, Catholics believe God speaks to us thru both His Church and the Scriptures.

Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,
But the revelation must be interpreted and understood if it is to be applied to particular cases like Poirot's.
Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

Of course I agree, which is why the Church has a Magisterium, part of whose is to do that interpreting. In extreme cases, an Ecumenical Council might be called to resolve a critical point of interpretation. Or the Pope, invoking his authority of "confirming the brethren" in matters of faith and morals, might speak ex cathedra,

Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,
But that leaves Poirot without such guidance when he makes his fateful decision.
Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

But only because Poirot CHOSE not to accept that guidance when he made that decision.

Sean

paulshackley2017@gmail.com said...

Sean,
So he should just have accepted that he was wrong to kill Norton?
Paul.

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

Yes.

Sean