Thursday, 13 August 2020

He Died

"Time Patrol," 5.

Wulfnoth describes the stranger hight Stane whom Everard and Whitcomb know to have been a time traveler:

"'None dared cross him, for he had a wand which threw thunderbolts and had been seen to cleave rocks and once, in battle with the Britons, burn men down. There are those who thought he was Woden, but that cannot be since he died.'" (p. 33)

But there are still those who think this? Gods can die. Woden will die. Some dead gods return. Or maybe Wulfnoth just means that Woden is believed/known to be still alive and active so cannot have died in these parts recently? We are not looking at a single, coherent world-view here.

Warriors die and go to Valhalla. In Valhalla, they fight, die and rise again. But, at the Ragnarok, they will die a final time. No one philosophized about religious beliefs yet.

I think that I have previously quoted a Catholic curate in an Irish country parish who said that the locals simultaneously believed three mutually incompatible propositions about death:

what the Church teaches;
the pre-Christian belief that the dead linger in an underworld where they resent, and from where they might harm, the living;
the dead no longer exist.

3 comments:

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Paul!

Well, we should not expect naive barbarian warriors to have carefully thought out and consistence theologies and philosophies.

And I do believe what the Catholic Church teaches about the afterlife, and none of the others!

Ad astra! Sean

S.M. Stirling said...

Yeah, the belief-systems are logically incoherent -- but as Storm Darroway comments in CORRIDORS OF TIME, the people she's dealing with don't attach any importance to logical consistency.

They're not stupid, they just don't conceptualize the world the way we do.

Incidentally, at the time of "Stane" and Hengist, there -were- people who thought logically... but there weren't very many of them, and they'd all be some distance away (Classically-trained Roman intellectuals, both pagan and Christian).

Sean M. Brooks said...

Kaor, Mr. Stirling!

I agree! And I have read, in translation, some of the works of these Classically trained (and a Christian) late Roman intellectuals: the THEOLOGICAL TRACTATES and CONSOLATION OF PHILOSOPHY of Anicius Manlius Severinus Boethius (love those sonorous Roman names!). His works and translations from the Greek were to help lay the foundations of that system of logical thought and reasoning (allied with Christian belief in the lawfulness of God) that did so much to lead to a true science.

But, of course, in remote corners of the fallen Empire, such as Britain, there would not be many such persons. And a desperate struggle for survival would make them fewer and fewer.

Ad astra! Sean