tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post3784852635580034098..comments2024-03-29T09:09:24.834+00:00Comments on Poul Anderson Appreciation: Aristotle's LogicKetlanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08588156788583883454noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post-74050915190792089022016-10-25T15:55:42.813+01:002016-10-25T15:55:42.813+01:00Kaor, Paul!
Exactly! Which is one reason why it m...Kaor, Paul!<br /><br />Exactly! Which is one reason why it might be a good idea for people to take a look at the Medieval trivium and quadrivium. The latter focused on arithmetic, astronomy, music, etc. It could easily be expanded or deepened to include the advances on scientific knowledge made since St. Thomas Aquinas' time.<br /><br />And Medieval education did have schools or universities teaching other subjects such as law, theology, or medicine for those who had finished the trivium/quadrivium. Yes, I know, medical knowledge was to remain woefully inadequate till the 1800's.<br /><br />SeanSean M. Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13973738112230622557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post-82429800255358140292016-10-25T07:34:32.605+01:002016-10-25T07:34:32.605+01:00Sean,
Language, thought and how to use them. Basic...Sean,<br />Language, thought and how to use them. Basic and Comprehensive.<br />Paul.Paul Shackleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04180596532266581425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post-20012973348980947202016-10-25T07:32:27.129+01:002016-10-25T07:32:27.129+01:00Kaor, Paul and DAVID!
I did a bit of checking up ...Kaor, Paul and DAVID!<br /><br />I did a bit of checking up to be sure, but grammar is the art of teaching students the mechanics of the correct use of language. Logic teaches the mechanics of thought of how to detect fallacious arguments and how to reason. Rhetoric teaches you how to use grammar and logic, how to be persuasive.<br /><br />SeanSean M. Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13973738112230622557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post-81824428587860971682016-10-25T01:38:38.588+01:002016-10-25T01:38:38.588+01:00Paul:
Rhetoric might come in handy for convincing ...Paul:<br />Rhetoric might come in handy for convincing others of the CORRECTNESS of your logic, if it's dealing with a matter in which you can't simply provide objective evidence....David Birrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08973889429164886381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post-48665371555731713812016-10-24T19:19:40.885+01:002016-10-24T19:19:40.885+01:00Sean,
I certainly agree that pupils should have a ...Sean,<br />I certainly agree that pupils should have a grounding in grammar and logic. I am not sure about the value of rhetoric.<br />Paul.Paul Shackleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04180596532266581425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post-52697081921947250862016-10-24T16:49:49.637+01:002016-10-24T16:49:49.637+01:00Kaor, Paul!
I have sometimes thought, given how t...Kaor, Paul!<br /><br />I have sometimes thought, given how terrible or inadequate education has become in many US schools, that we should go back to using a form of the Medieval Trivium and Quadrivium. The trivium, comprising grammar, logic, and rhetoric would be used for the beginning of children's education. Naturally, being taught how to read (preferably by using the system of phonics advocated by Jerry Pournelle) and write would accompany this.<br /><br />Some form of the Medieval Quadrivium would be used for more advanced studies (I think there would be some overlap with the Trivium).<br /><br />These reflections were inspired not only by this blog piece of yours but also by John C. Wright's ten part "The Suicide of Thought" series. I recall being taught grammar but not systematic logic, which I think was a lack. What do you think of the idea of reviving the Trivium/Quadrivium?<br /><br />Sean Sean M. Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13973738112230622557noreply@blogger.com