tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post7238465323491459410..comments2024-03-29T09:09:24.834+00:00Comments on Poul Anderson Appreciation: EnglandKetlanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08588156788583883454noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post-35678951564281258152017-03-11T17:07:28.322+00:002017-03-11T17:07:28.322+00:00Kaor, Nicholas!
Of course I agree with your last ...Kaor, Nicholas!<br /><br />Of course I agree with your last comment about humans being too talented at mucking up things!<br /><br />And, yes, there was conflict between the Irish and English before Bad Queen Bessie's time. But I would call that a more or less normal kind of conflict between human beings, when not INFLAMED for ideological or religious reasons.<br /><br />And English rule of Ireland before Elizabeth I's reign was "lax, loose, and slack." It became notorious for many pre-Tudor English settlers to go native, to become as Irish as the Irish themselves.<br /><br />Absent the bitterness of religious persecution by the Protestants and the tyranny and injustices of Cromwell, I can still imagine a Catholic England developing a firm, but not too tight union with a Catholic Ireland. Analogous to how Gaelic Brittany was eventually united to France.<br /><br />Sean<br />Sean M. Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13973738112230622557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post-68915230337373190042017-03-11T07:16:58.546+00:002017-03-11T07:16:58.546+00:00Kaor, Sean!
Hmm. I don't have the facts at m...Kaor, Sean!<br /><br />Hmm. I don't have the facts at my fingertips, but I recall reading of some ugly conflict before England became Protestant. Even Catholic Tudors kings wanted to reward their men with land in Ireland, which did not delight the Irish. A man might be a nobleman and a vassal of the English king in English eyes, but a clan chief in his own right, who had the loyalty of his his clansmen and owed them his protection in return, in .Irish eyes. If he chose himself and his clan over his nominal allegiance, he would be at war with his overlord, whatever anyone's religion.<br /><br />The human race is too talented at making a bloody mess of things.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br />Nicholas D. RosenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3538502828554372917.post-43069765618199305852017-03-10T07:34:22.657+00:002017-03-10T07:34:22.657+00:00Kaor, Paul!
Too true, what you said about the hat...Kaor, Paul!<br /><br />Too true, what you said about the hatred many of the Irish still have for the English. The English showed themselves at their very worse in Ireland. I would put that down to the anti-Catholic Penal Laws and the tyranny and cruelty of Cromwell.<br /><br />I can't help but wonder what might have happened if the police state terrorism of Elizabeth I had not firmly implanted Protestantism in England. The Irish and English might have bumped along together not too badly if they had both been Catholic peoples. English rule of Ireland before Elizabeth I was so lax, loose, and slack that there was little cause for mutual irritation by both peoples.<br /><br />SeanSean M. Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13973738112230622557noreply@blogger.com